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Post by Do Not PM this Account. on Sept 30, 2008 19:52:59 GMT -8
From Miyu's Lost in Shadows: Not too long ago, because we (RavenBlack and I) had to deal with a few dishonest people in the game, we discussed a few things in regards to account deletions. Because of that, on 15th of September, I updated this: community.livejournal.com/lost_in_shadows/2699682.htmlI've made a few minor changes, but there's a whole section there that people should really pay attention to. As it's not listed in the game's FAQ but it is linked to here just in case people can't find it in here: quiz.ravenblack.net/faq.plI am still giving out coins, but I will not give coins to those who have been deleted and who paid to get their accounts re-instated. There's been a lot of those lately. And some of them are repeat offenders. Tsk-tsk. I may be nice, but I am not going to be nice to those who are dishonest and those who cheat. That's like me saying that I condone their actions. Just so you folks out there know... this is what's been added and discussed by me and RavenBlack: Q16. I donated for my account, I found out that my account's been "deleted for cheating" is there a way I can get it back? A. Depending on the severity of the situation, and whether or not you've been caught cheating before and have been deleted, you could be fined anywhere from $10 to $100 and up. • 1st time you get deleted - It's $10.00 USD to reinstate your account. - RavenBlack will penalise your account by taking out all of the coins plus a bunch of other stuff from your inventory. • 2nd time you get deleted - It's $30.00 USD to reinstate your account. - RavenBlack will penalise your account by taking out all the coins and a bunch of other stuff from your inventory. - RavenBlack will switch all of your level 3 powers to level 2 before reinstating your account. • 3rd time you get deleted - It's $100.00 USD to reinstate your account. - RavenBlack will zero out your bank account and inventory. - RavenBlack will will switch all of your powers to level 1 before reinstating your account. and if you're foolish enough to keep on cheating after that then the fee is doubled from there! Example: 4th time you get deleted - It's $200.00 USD to reinstate your account. - Bank account is at zero. - No inventory. - No powers except for Second-Sight. 5th time you get deleted - It's $400.00 - no bank account, no inventory, no powers except for Second-Sight 6th time... well you oughtta learn your lesson by the second time around, tsk! But take it from the last one, it'll just keep doubling up. |
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Post by Edan Adaire on Sept 30, 2008 20:03:00 GMT -8
Wow.. well, looks like they are getting sick n fucking tired of idiots. lol
Good thinking, guys.
...and...
Good luck to those who are notorious in having your accounts deleted and reinstated.
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Post by Boomerangele on Sept 30, 2008 21:44:40 GMT -8
$10 is nothing. Price of a movie. I think the first time offense should be closer to $50.
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Post by black_dragonet on Oct 1, 2008 2:03:12 GMT -8
9th offense is 6 400$
10th offense is 12 800$...
I think some could make Ravenblack's human a really wealthy man... since it seems they won't learn.
However, there is cheating and cheating...
Most of us have transferred coins from alts to mains a way or another. There are those who are careful about that, and those who are not. Those who are not better have a wealthy human.
Then there are those misusing alts to attack or harass people. Those people suck.
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Post by Rykoth on Oct 1, 2008 4:31:32 GMT -8
Why can't deleted pires oh I dunno... be BANNED?
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Post by lordoblivion on Oct 1, 2008 8:07:30 GMT -8
Cause he wants to make dah moneh!
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Post by black_dragonet on Oct 1, 2008 8:42:44 GMT -8
Cause he wants to make dah moneh! From the tenth offence on, it's worth checking ;D |
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Post by Saikeria Moore on Oct 1, 2008 10:21:55 GMT -8
$10 is nothing. Price of a movie. I think the first time offense should be closer to $50. I think you're paying too much for movies. <.<; |
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Post by thalialeu on Oct 1, 2008 10:42:26 GMT -8
As much as I like the game, with the no UPDATES or new things to do, the charging of everything he thinks is an infraction....well...the cost is high...so don't cheath everyone will say...but sometimes he thinks cheating is for example..Pyre A robs Pyre B...Pyre B contacts Pyre A to get the coins back after agreement the coins are given back...in less then 3 days...and he deletes them...but it isn't cheating...but he comes with a smartass answer...
"the game works from stealing, if you don't want to be steal BANK" hey game is as we play it, if you agree with the other player...it isn't Cheating no? what you guys think?
I think this game is becoming "money" to be ok...and is not giving us anything back
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Post by Katastrophe St. John-Talon on Oct 1, 2008 12:12:36 GMT -8
$10 is nothing. Price of a movie. I think the first time offense should be closer to $50. I think you're paying too much for movies. <.<; Just because I was curious about movie tickets in California, the price of a movie ticket in Sacramento is $9.50 for an adult in the evening... um, yeah, cost of living is a bitch. So Cynthia rounded up and you're just living in a cheaper part of the country. Anyway, back on topic: I agree with Thalia that it seems that RB is getting a little overzealous, but the fact is, it's his game, and he can do what he wants. Those who get deleted should count their lucky stars that Jason doesn't get his way instead.  Just another example of the fact that the law of supply and demand works. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see what Cynthia suggests actually happen. |
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Post by Damari on Oct 1, 2008 12:30:12 GMT -8
Hrmmm… Much as I like this game. If Damari should get wiped out. Then she’s like totally gone.
The above. Would matter very little to me.
We all do dodgy shit in the name of this game. Transferring gold and a myriad of other stuff. So if you’re caught. You’re caught and cest la vie. If figure if that happens to Damari it’s a sign to get the hell out of dodge and take up knitting, Indy car racing or something.
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Post by BlueVamp on Oct 1, 2008 16:39:16 GMT -8
I agree with what Puawai said..
If it was to ever happen to BlueVamp ...if ever.. she's gone.. I paid for her second sight and that's all the money RB is getting from me...
If other's cheat they shouldn't be given the privilege of returning to the game with the same character they cheated with... for the second offense they shouldn't be able to come back PERIOD... simple as that.. or then again.. three strikes and they're out totally.. alts and all.
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Post by setitevampyr on Oct 1, 2008 22:54:43 GMT -8
9th offense is 6 400$ 10th offense is 12 800$... I think some could make Ravenblack's human a really wealthy man... since it seems they won't learn. However, there is cheating and cheating... Most of us have transferred coins from alts to mains a way or another. There are those who are careful about that, and those who are not. Those who are not better have a wealthy human. Then there are those misusing alts to attack or harass people. Those people suck. I'm sorry, you have to clarify for me. Are you outright saying that some forms of cheating acceptable, as long as you don't get caught? I'm going to go ahead and call you on that and say BULLSHIT. If you think one is unacceptable, so is the other. On one side you have people funding their vampires with cloned money to kill the opposition, on the other hand you have (dare I say it?) a slightly more honest cheater - someone that has come to terms with the fact that what they are doing is completely unethical and recognises they are absolute gobshites for doing it, but doesnt care. (oh my god, I did say it. I've compared using alts for cash to using alts for killing  ). Both should be punished. There is cheating and there is cheating and they are both the damn same. If you use alts, you know that it is against the parameters of the game, what you are doing is just as wrong as attacking with alts, because it is giving you unfair leverage against opposition in a fight (unless they too cheat). If you want to do that, fine. I have come to accept the fact that the resounding number of this city cheat. But dont cover it up trying to make it okay because it is not. You are not better than other cheaters, you are exactly the same. |
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Post by black_dragonet on Oct 2, 2008 0:47:50 GMT -8
Generally speaking, what I am saying is that all of us should be careful when it comes to judging or somehow insulting people who get caught, because many of those going at the cheaters do not have a spotless soul, if you see what I mean.
Though any form of cheating is indeed cheating, there are some that I find suck more than others, quite in the same way I find that thieving and raping are two condemnable offences, but that one is sucking way more than the other.
If I dare keep up with the image, I could say that though any felony is a felony, we should remember that it might happen to many (or has already) that we happen to steal something.
I actually did when I was a child. It does not make me a criminal.
As long as one does not know exactly the reason why a character was smited, one should refrain from being too harsh (sartori being the latest example) since he may have been smited for something I dare call offensive, but not that much.
More specifically relating to me, I do not hold myself higher than the other characters. I just try to bring some sort of perspective in the debate.
I have seen preying behaviour in the city, I have seen players with over a hundred alts, I have seen players steal other player’s alts, and I have seen players with a handful of alts. To me, they do not compare.
Yes, I find acceptable to have a few alts. Mine have their own life, and since they have no use for the coinage, I pool them.
What use does a neutral non-thieving alt have for coinage ?
Another’s fun is hunting hunter. The pleasure lies in the chase, not in the coins use…
I do not believe this gives unfair advantage in the city since
A) most people do it,
B) whatever coinage I have, I do not use it to bully weaker characters.
C) The behaviour of my character has not changed, meaning my character still robs. I know some have thieves so that their mains could concentrate one BP. I just don’t.
Yes, this makes me a cheater. I know. *shrugs*
To me, attacking with alts is something different, something I see as way more distorting, because it allows for bullying and harassment. I see it as cowardly. I see it as just not standing for the player’s acts, not wanting to risk endangering your main’s precious BP or coins level. You have a disagreement with someone ? you settle it with said someone, you don’t send thugs.
I have no sympathy for the one caught harassing a player with inappropriate proposals.
I have no sympathy for the one caught attacking with alts.
I have some for the one caught moving coins, though when the coins moving involves more than a dozen of alts, then I start thinking that this may indeed be unfair.
To me, coins moving is like speeding. Most do, this is indeed forbidden, and if you get caught by the police, you don’t go whining it’s unfair. You played and lost. However, driving 5 miles over the limit is not the same as harassing someone or driving 100 miles over the limit. So if someone tells you he got caught speeding, you don’t go at him telling he’s a criminal, you wait until you know more.
I somehow just wish that the penalty for moving coins would be coinage resetting, instead of character deletion.
It seems you happen to disagree, I can understand that. This is, after all, only my humble opinion.
(« you » is a general « you » that is not specifically directed to anyone)
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Post by setitevampyr on Oct 2, 2008 6:08:32 GMT -8
Oh I completely agree that people shouldn't be hypocrites, cheat and then laugh/tut at the cheaters that got caught. But what you were saying was something more - that you graded cheating on levels (like various crimes IRL). That coin pooling was far less severe than attacking with alts. I would argue that nothing could be farther from the truth
And perhaps thus my opinion diverges from most of the city.
Yes, there is something worse with holding 100 alts than there is with holding 1 alt (as, if you want to use your example of thievery, stealing an apple is less deplorable than stealing a car).
However, your argument for "pooling" is that not unfair because "everyone does it". Well I tell you now, everyone doesn't do it... and it is that attitude that has caused more and more players to give in to the cheating process - the fact that they simply cannot keep up otherwise. You are in fact, by encouraging the current system of cheating, bullying other players into having to do the same, even if they do not wish to, bullying them in exactly the same way using alts to attack them would be considered bullying. Not only that, but it encourages a race to alt arms, those with less alts will end up losing out because they cannot afford that which those that have more can. You have no proof that you are not attacking those who do not use your method of gathering money, as such you cannot say you are not bullying another character.
If your alts have their own life, they should have their own life. No pooling. Otherwise, the excuse "they're just sticking up for me" is equally as viable as "I'm just pooling my resources*. More so in an IC perspective.
You have 10 alts, and use the money that you get from them to buy 500 hws that fund you through a war you otherwise would not have been able to get through. The person you are fighting has 0 alts and as such cannot afford to keep on fighting at the pace you can. They either go into shadows, plead submission or get zeroed. The characters strength is directly affected not by your characters strength, but by the amount of alts you have feeding coins to your account.
Alternatively, You have 10 alts and use the holy waters they have to attack the person you are fighting who has 0. The effect is the same - they go into shadows, plead submission or get zeroed. However they actually lose less weapons in the process - because it is less drawn out.
The effect is exactly the same - if they have less alts than you, then they lose out (unless they are particularly skilled at live fighting or other extenuating circumstances). If like you claim, most people do it, they can counteract the alt attacks, just as easily as they can counteract the coin intake.
Despite this, you are far more likely to get help from the city if someone uses alts to attack you, rather than using the alts money to attack you. The reason for this, is nothing to do with it being a 'lesser' form of cheating, but has everything to do with the fact that it is not a visible form of cheating to anyone bar those that are actually transferring the money.
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