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Post by ophelia Lokason on Apr 22, 2009 15:47:36 GMT -8
Jada, Lady, your Sire began this when he made that smart ass comment. Seyda merely defended blackdragon. You might not like it but there it is. And while your Sire and your former husband might have agreed to shut their traps, an intelligent woman such as yourself can't come out spiting misdirected venom and not expect to get a reply.
So maybe if you just followed your own requests and fell silent as well, there'd be nothing here to direct your misappropriated anger at and you can heal or do whatever it is you need to do.
Take Care Jada.
~HiS~
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Post by seyda on Apr 23, 2009 7:08:56 GMT -8
gee, Seyda, you again know me so very well. Boy, you've got me pegged alright. I have blamed RoR for nothing - explaining the truth is far from placing blame. I do realize that when faced with confrontation when you and yours are flat-out wrong is something your twisted little mind can't get the grasp of. I also realize that truth is something you find difficult to handle, which is why I've taken time out of my night to point it out. Kindness to the less fortunate and all that jazz. By the way, the only reason I've bothered to answer is because I can't help but to point out glaring stupidity and misinformation. In all actuality, I don't care. But I will not stand aside and let you slip in your insults and, ahem, to use your word, PROPOGANDA, without saying a word, nor will I be bullied by you. Not that it matters - your way, as always, is the only way. No matter that you lack respect for anyone who refuses to kiss your ass and take it upon yourself to make asinine assumptions about anything and everything. Like I said - keep talking. Those who know me and know the truth can see you for exactly what you are - an overgrown brat who cannot handle being challenged, even when she is glaringly and obviously out of her depth. I'm more than happy to keep calling you out on it. And yet again you take a million and one paragraphs to say you don't care and that I'm stupid. And yes, my way is the only way for me, because I don't care who it is, if someone is getting a bum rap in a situation, I will speak up on their behalf. The rest of your rant is nothing more than a horribly structured and poorly veiled attempt to insult me, except you've done nothing but play into my hand by pointing out my insults and "asinine assumptions" when your entire response is based on the exact same thing. Hypocrite. Now, little monkey, keep dancing. I would love nothing more than for you to continue to 'call' me out while intentionally ignoring the valid question I asked regarding Majica and the coin you borrowed from her. And please, make sure you continue to tell me that you don't care throughout multi-paragraph rants. I think that's the funniest part of it all.
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Post by DiablaVampira on Apr 23, 2009 7:49:31 GMT -8
Sorry to hear...Good luck to both parties..
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Post by vermathraxrex on Apr 23, 2009 14:10:24 GMT -8
gee, Seyda, you again know me so very well. Boy, you've got me pegged alright. I have blamed RoR for nothing - explaining the truth is far from placing blame. I do realize that when faced with confrontation when you and yours are flat-out wrong is something your twisted little mind can't get the grasp of. I also realize that truth is something you find difficult to handle, which is why I've taken time out of my night to point it out. Kindness to the less fortunate and all that jazz. By the way, the only reason I've bothered to answer is because I can't help but to point out glaring stupidity and misinformation. In all actuality, I don't care. But I will not stand aside and let you slip in your insults and, ahem, to use your word, PROPOGANDA, without saying a word, nor will I be bullied by you. Not that it matters - your way, as always, is the only way. No matter that you lack respect for anyone who refuses to kiss your ass and take it upon yourself to make asinine assumptions about anything and everything. Like I said - keep talking. Those who know me and know the truth can see you for exactly what you are - an overgrown brat who cannot handle being challenged, even when she is glaringly and obviously out of her depth. I'm more than happy to keep calling you out on it. And yet again you take a million and one paragraphs to say you don't care and that I'm stupid. And yes, my way is the only way for me, because I don't care who it is, if someone is getting a bum rap in a situation, I will speak up on their behalf. The rest of your rant is nothing more than a horribly structured and poorly veiled attempt to insult me, except you've done nothing but play into my hand by pointing out my insults and "asinine assumptions" when your entire response is based on the exact same thing. Hypocrite. Now, little monkey, keep dancing. I would love nothing more than for you to continue to 'call' me out while intentionally ignoring the valid question I asked regarding Majica and the coin you borrowed from her. And please, make sure you continue to tell me that you don't care throughout multi-paragraph rants. I think that's the funniest part of it all. Well, if anyone can spot someone avoiding a question-it has to be you, since you have proven to be a grand master of this skill as well. Hey, there is another hypocrite reference! Sweet! Also, when the hell did money get involved in this? Talk about off topic. The original debate was about the severance and why it happened I believe. I think we need a financial section in the paper for the current argument you are seeking to have.
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Post by seyda on Apr 23, 2009 15:30:16 GMT -8
Well, if anyone can spot someone avoiding a question-it has to be you, since you have proven to be a grand master of this skill as well. Hey, there is another hypocrite reference! Sweet! Also, when the hell did money get involved in this? Talk about off topic. The original debate was about the severance and why it happened I believe. I think we need a financial section in the paper for the current argument you are seeking to have. I will not be responding to this topic here any further. If you wish to continue-most know my cell-so go for it. Well, now I know where she gets it from.
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Post by vermathraxrex on Apr 23, 2009 18:16:09 GMT -8
Well, if anyone can spot someone avoiding a question-it has to be you, since you have proven to be a grand master of this skill as well. Hey, there is another hypocrite reference! Sweet! Also, when the hell did money get involved in this? Talk about off topic. The original debate was about the severance and why it happened I believe. I think we need a financial section in the paper for the current argument you are seeking to have. I will not be responding to this topic here any further. If you wish to continue-most know my cell-so go for it. Well, now I know where she gets it from. Sorry to disillusion you, wench. But I did not reply to the original argument. I asked you when did coins become part of the severance issue. Ah yes, there is that 'avoiding the question' thing again. Keep trying. You might actually irritate me one day, but I doubt it.
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Post by seyda on Apr 24, 2009 4:42:04 GMT -8
Well, now I know where she gets it from. Sorry to disillusion you, wench. But I did not reply to the original argument. I asked you when did coins become part of the severance issue. Ah yes, there is that 'avoiding the question' thing again. Keep trying. You might actually irritate me one day, but I doubt it. Okay, so rather than making that statement to actually attempt to restore some sort of calm to the thread, you actually meant that you would make that statement to make you look like you were above me but would come back if there was something said you didn't like. Got it. But, unlike Jada, I have no problem answering a question. My inquiry regarding coins has as much to do with the severance topic as your claims regarding political reasons and Jada's claims regarding my contingencies for respecting others does. Since, yanno, Jada's ridiculous ultimatum is what forced the severance, and her assumptions regarding respect and me are so unfounded it's borderline retarded. The point *I* am making is that if both of you can make peripheral statements and attempt to make them fit here, then so can I. Especially when I can make it fit as follows: * bd and Jada severed based on an ultimatum given after Jada left RoR. * Jada left RoR after having issues with nitenurse. * As a member of RoR, Jada borrowed a sum of coin from Majica that was not authorized by nitenurse, yet Jada thinks RoR should pay it back. Oh wait, so I guess my question wasn't really peripheral at all. Fancy that. Your turn, Bitch.
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Post by blackdragon on Apr 24, 2009 9:31:47 GMT -8
I am keeping my word and not responding to any accusations, but I want to state this so that nobody comes bitching to me. I promised to stay quiet on the subject and made a mistake and spoke up once and was called on it, so I will continue to keep my silence on any accusations. If you wish to know my side of what happened, I'm not hard to find. If I don't know you, I don't mean to be a dick, but don't bother trying to use me for gossip fodder. I'm sure that both Jada and I have different views on what happened as is the case with any severance.
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Post by Moirai on Apr 24, 2009 13:29:24 GMT -8
Jada, Lady, your Sire began this when he made that smart ass comment. Seyda merely defended blackdragon. You might not like it but there it is. And while your Sire and your former husband might have agreed to shut their traps, an intelligent woman such as yourself can't come out spiting misdirected venom and not expect to get a reply. So maybe if you just followed your own requests and fell silent as well, there'd be nothing here to direct your misappropriated anger at and you can heal or do whatever it is you need to do. Take Care Jada. ~HiS~ What's that x-files mantra? The truth is up there...the truth is out there?
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Post by Katastrophe St. John-Talon on Apr 24, 2009 13:40:06 GMT -8
Out.
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Post by gittelbug on Apr 24, 2009 22:13:32 GMT -8
best of luck to you both
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Post by Kali on Apr 24, 2009 23:27:12 GMT -8
Sorry it took me so long to send my condolences. I am sorry it did not work out, blackdragon. Love you Pappi and you know how to find me if you wish to talk.
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Post by Jada on Apr 25, 2009 16:42:23 GMT -8
Seyda, anything you think you know comes only from one or two sources. There are two or more sides to every story, so before you come in spouting off your garbage that you heard secondhand, perhaps you should ask all sides.
I got my back up because my business is not something I wanted dragged out in the papers - not because I have anything to hide, but because I am usually a private 'piress. But I will not sit here and let my name be dragged through the mud. Since it appears necessary, here you go:
To answer your questions and perhaps put this thing to rest for once:
1) bd and I severed, mainly, because I slept. For a long time. I don't see it as fault so much as drifting apart for reasons that we had no control over. The conversation, or argument, you refer to was merely a turning point born of anger and frustration on both sides.
2) I did not leave RoR because nn and I had "issues." If you, and I suppose, she, (if my guess of your source of info is correct) see it that way, then it is merely your opinion and not an opinion I share. I left RoR because, among other things, my long sleep prevented me from doing my job, and when I tried to get things going again, it seemed to be too late to fix anything. Does nitenurse rub me the wrong way? At times - I don't enjoy being talked down to anymore than anyone else, and that is how I perceived many of our conversations. I am sure she has similar issues with me. But that alone does not make for a poor working relationship.
3) The coin issue you continue referring to is one that, until recently, I saw as a clan-only issue. Since you insist on bringing it up and you are no longer and have not been part of RoR for some time, I will address it here and now: I was ordered to take coin from Maji for the war against the Dawns because nitenurse refused to accept that any of us were close to zero and a coin transfer through other means was not feasible at the time. I have records of this conversation and others. I did so and immediately after the war made an agreement with Maji to repay the coin in a way that would not get either of us smited or otherwise penalized.
I was told repeatedly by Maji that there was no rush to repay, that she had plenty of coin and this was a mere drop in the bucket to her. I still wanted to pay her back in a reasonable and safe manner, but also in a reasonable amount of time. nitenurse and Nara authorized my repayment schedule after I sought their guidance to ensure it would not bring any undue attention from RB. Also, being one of their citizens, I thought it was appropriate to follow what they said regarding this matter, and so I did.
I made my first scheduled payment to Maji and shortly after, despite agreeing to the terms we'd set up, she began asking me to do such things as give coin to her childer, and not on the time table we'd set up. nitenurse flat-out refused to let me do so, and I agreed - the childe Maji wanted coin to go to was part of an enemy clan and I was not inclined to fund his weapons directly. when I explained this to her, she became annoyed and was not happy about it. I explained that I wasn't comfortable handing coin over to an enemy and that I also wasn't going to go against orders from my clan leader.
After claiming she understood, she attempted to get me to wash the coin through one of her family. nitenurse again said absolutely not, so I again told Maji that this was not acceptable and that I was happy to repay her as we agreed.
A short while later, my sleeping began and the weeks bled and ran together - I make no excuses for that, it is what it is - but during those times, I did not hear from Maji once. I made another payment to her, for less than the agreed upon sum, after explaining that my thief was not doing so well and that my sleeping had caused him to be lazy. She again stated she understood and was fine with it, or so she said.
I even considered repaying her using a different thief - but nitenurse said no, and again, being a member of her clan and a leader at that, I did as she said.
My sleeping continued and I heard nothing from anyone - the times I did wake, briefly, were spent with bd, or speaking to nitenurse and to my sire. They were few and far between. I did not hear from Maji during this time as, from what I understood, she too was sleeping a great deal.
As I began waking more often, I got in touch with Maji and let her know my reasons for being away. She supposedly understood, said that she too was not around very often lately, and we agreed to meet up soon after for another payment. I did not come fully awake again for quite some time, and when I did, the time was spent getting back into my clan work and reconnecting with my friends and family.
During this time (all in the last few weeks), I was ORDERED, by nitenurse, not to repay Majica at all. The reason? kaio owes Wyndcryer a hefty sum and refuses to repay it because she is part of what he considers an enemy clan. Therefore, nitenurse decided that I would repay Wynd and that Maji could go attempt to get HER coin from kaio. I have logs of this conversation as well. She stated she would tell Majica as soon as possible. Again, being a good little soldier, I did as I was told and did not discuss it, trusting that nitenurse would tell Majica in a timely fashion and that would be that. She did not, as she admitted last week, because she and Maji had argued over something else and she did not get to it.
So. Just prior to my departure from RoR, Majica became upset that I had fed from her. I do not recall this occurring, but I was on a blind and thirsty rampage throughout the City, given my long sleeps. I heard from nitenurse during the convo about her argument with Maji that Maji was complaining about the nibble and found it offensive.
A night or two later, I took my leave of RoR and bd and I decided to sever. Maji happened to be available while I was and complained to me directly about the bite. I told her I was in no mood to talk with her, as I was dealing with other matters. I also explained to her, briefly, that I was told not to repay the coin and she could speak with her sister about that. I also told her, since I was awake and no longer in RoR, I was happy to resume our agreed upon payment schedule.
She told me to forget about it - probably in a moment of a hissy fit - and has since spread about these lies that I refused to repay her.
So, let this be my public statement - I am happy to repay Majica as agreed, in a way that will protect us from being smited by the Lord RavenBlack.
I hope that satisfies your curiosity and demands for information.
If anyone would like to chat more, you know where and how to find me. Likewise, if anyone requires proof of any of this, I also have records of these conversations.
That is all I will say again, publicly, on this matter. Thank you and good evening.
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Post by nitenurse on Apr 25, 2009 17:43:09 GMT -8
Difference of opinion was being polite. I was trying very hard to be respectful of your privacy both here and within the clan halls. The pure and simple truth is that the job was not being done. These were things that had been agreed upon that simply were not happening. Should I have done the demotion while you slept? In retrospect, probably. Some jobs can be held indefinitely, some cannot.
At no time did I order you to not pay Majica back ever. Yes, I didn't want some of the arrangements to be done for safety reasons. I gave the option to do an in-clan deal that would ultimately end up that the clan covered the debt because I knew you did not have the coin to make the payment..... and still do not. You seemed to like that option. If that was considered an order... Wow... I have more power than I thought.
and to get this back on track... condolences to you and bd on the severance
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Post by Katastrophe St. John-Talon on Apr 25, 2009 17:45:53 GMT -8
At this point... I think I'd like to congratulate blackdragon.
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