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Post by ophelia Lokason on Mar 27, 2009 13:25:01 GMT -8
I am chalice magister of ferrymen and in the spotlight of this grand city for 5 years. I am offering my help, if you wish to take it, you may, if not than good luck with your endevour. (I feel the imagination counts for something and the werewolf semi society has existed as an RP theme for a very long time, the board loses on a whole host of things, and as being a werewolf effects no other characters but your own (AKA victimless crime) they should be acknowledged so long as considerations are given by the person playing the werewolf. Also id love to do an RP where I kill a werewolf id have to think of something other than a crucifixion  ) Kaio, what does 'being in the spotlight' and having to note that have to do with creating a clan, unless it's just to beat your (your being general) own chest and say look at me I think I'm POPULAR! While it is easier to build one when one is at least known a bit, it's not impossible to do so when one is unrecognizable. ~HiS~ (I agree on the creativity aspect. While I'm not fond of rp'd characters as poodles or dolphins or cute little furry animal peoples I see nothing wrong with extending RP beyond the bounds, within reason, from vampires.) |
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Post by kaio999 on Mar 28, 2009 3:55:23 GMT -8
I am chalice magister of ferrymen and in the spotlight of this grand city for 5 years. I am offering my help, if you wish to take it, you may, if not than good luck with your endevour. (I feel the imagination counts for something and the werewolf semi society has existed as an RP theme for a very long time, the board loses on a whole host of things, and as being a werewolf effects no other characters but your own (AKA victimless crime) they should be acknowledged so long as considerations are given by the person playing the werewolf. Also id love to do an RP where I kill a werewolf id have to think of something other than a crucifixion ) Kaio, what does 'being in the spotlight' and having to note that have to do with creating a clan, unless it's just to beat your (your being general) own chest and say look at me I think I'm POPULAR! While it is easier to build one when one is at least known a bit, it's not impossible to do so when one is unrecognizable. ~HiS~ (I agree on the creativity aspect. While I'm not fond of rp'd characters as poodles or dolphins or cute little furry animal peoples I see nothing wrong with extending RP beyond the bounds, within reason, from vampires.) Actually I think it has alot to do with it, because one of the most important aspects to this city is the political structure we have all created, and within this structure are many rules, and these political potholes can only really be known by one who has been forced to move around them. Id also like to point out that the past alone is proof of such truths. Seyda and her clan from LoSD is one of the only leaders, I can think of that can be considered unknown and created a successful clan. However even she had guidence while in LoSD. All of the leadership for Shadow Court, TiC, and CoB were former officers from Clan Capadocious, ferrymen had Lucius and than many other capable officers after he departed. I mean even the slightly more obscure like Seraphim, and Dominion, leadership were former 2ICs for Archangel. Even the neutrals had a name before they developed there clan. Its truly essential unless you wish to be seperate from this cities events entirely. |
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Post by ladypeacek on Mar 28, 2009 5:55:36 GMT -8
I dont think its possible that there is a time that Seyda was unknown... She was very much known in LoSD...and RoR came with quite a few LoSD people that left with her...so she had built her rep in that area already. I have to say, I agree with Kaio. Sure, it may not be RIGHT...but it is what it is. No one joins a clan with a leader they know nothing about, or never heard of. Whether its impossible or not, depends on your idea of what a clan is. Sure, someone not known at all can put up a clan, find one or two people they might have spoke to and drag them in...while they sit around staring at each other waiting for the buses to arrive with more....but would you really consider that a valid arguement for it being possible? |
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Post by ophelia Lokason on Mar 28, 2009 11:20:01 GMT -8
I'd beg to differ on that Pea, at least somewhat. Of course when I entered the city things were a bit different, but I joined a clan with a leader I knew zilch about. And I learned. A vampires 'worth' in the end, after all, is not based on 'who' they are or 'who' they know but what they do. Or maybe I'm having one of those strange idealistic moments. They're rare but they happen *grins* I simply think that demanding some kind of city prominence of an individual to be taken seriously is part of the problem that has caused a lot of city structure to crumble. Will it be difficult for an unknown to gain members and prove their worth? Sure. But if they have the intelligence, the will and the willingness to learn from their environment, and perhaps a bit of support from a community in part, it's entirely possible for them to become quite accomplished. It's really up to them. ....Well, and the fickle public that like to swarm on the new like jackals ~HiS~ |
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Post by Archontohs on Mar 28, 2009 14:36:33 GMT -8
I think you are all right, in a sense.
No matter what clan, one ends up gaining a self-worth and self-respect from it... Through the hard work they put forth and seeing the fruits of their labor. One is able to contribute to the whole and have it prosper for that. In that sense, it doesn't matter where one does go.
However... Beings are prone to go where they feel comfortable. That would be going with a clan where they at least know beings that hail from it. There they would feel more secure and most likely be able to blossom more because they do not feel as pressured.
Hmm... I'm probably just over analyizing things too much.
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Post by trig on Mar 28, 2009 17:11:23 GMT -8
I know from personal experience that starting a clan is hard. In my case it was trying to return a clan from it's low point. Leading is an amazingly hard position, and there will always be different theories on what a leader should do and what a clan should encompass. Kaleb, I wish you all the luck with your clan. I will assume that you do actually know enough about the city to actually teach others how to gain powers, and how to lead them in the clans goals as well as the members personal goals and meet their expectations. As a leader though, you need to be able to deal with flak from the general public, be able to distinguish from the bulls**t and the tidbits of information and advice you should take to heart. Talking correct is one sign of a noble, distinguished heir, it gives a positive image to your personal character.  So before posting anything in the papers, I'd suggest making sure you proof read Although none of us are perfect. As for this debate/bish-fest over cloaks and such. -Unless- a specific clan is a no Battle Cloak or Neutrality clan, Who. Gives. A. Shit. Believe it or not, there are clans out there that aren't about tearing into another pire's throat. There are clans out there that are completely neutral, I'm sure most/all of you are aware of that though. Everyone has their own view on what a clan should be, but that's just it, it's a PERSONAL preference and no one else has the right to say that's wrong. If I think that clans should be strictly No Thievery, then that would be MY view, However ludicrous it may be |
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Post by Louvain on Mar 28, 2009 19:58:02 GMT -8
It also helps to keep track of what you say. Like when you were extremely rude to Lestat about leaving the Scions for something more to his taste.
Isn't that what you just did?
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Post by trig on Mar 29, 2009 5:57:32 GMT -8
You also learn from mistakes since no one is perfect, I admit it was childish of me to say petty things like that, but still that doesn't mean it isn't true. Point is, Leaders aren't born, they're made.
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Post by Lyric on Mar 29, 2009 6:07:00 GMT -8
As true as you pointing fingers at him, then turning around and doing the very same thing.
True no one is perfect, but generally speaking, one really shouldn't, leader, follower and/or in between, chastise another for doing what you're apt to do yourself.
Glass houses and stones...
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Post by Louvain on Mar 29, 2009 6:12:54 GMT -8
That surprised the hell out of me, Trig. Kudos.
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Post by kaio999 on Mar 29, 2009 6:55:45 GMT -8
I liked seeing where this conversation ended up.
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Post by trig on Mar 29, 2009 8:10:59 GMT -8
Thanks Andre. *nods*
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Post by Bug Merovingian on Mar 29, 2009 16:16:29 GMT -8
Well, and the fickle public that like to swarm on the new like jackals ~HiS~ Mob mentality. |
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Post by ophelia Lokason on Mar 29, 2009 20:24:52 GMT -8
Kaio I understand what you're saying completely but it is a hypocritical standard. Take the Midnights. They are not a 'clan' but a gang. They don't have the structure of a clan but they are a group that is at least marginally organized. It's all relative and enough to call the same on many levels. Deny it as one will, but that is a simple fact. Yet....The David is a nobody in this city. Unknown. Unaccomplished. Uneducated in many aspects vs someone that is older. Yet the same standard is not held for The David of the Midnights as for this fledgling group and its current 'leader' ?
I believe I heard even you were, if not now then at some point in time, a member of said group. Yet you try to preach the importance of being 'known' in this city. Psshhh...what's good for one should be good for all. Otherwise, you're just a flaming hypocrite that wants to hang with something that seems cool while trying to 'educate' another virtual unknown.
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Post by Louvain on Mar 29, 2009 21:58:50 GMT -8
The David isn't known? I beg to differ. The guy made a huge splash, and effectively was the center point of many happenings within weeks of his first hoorah.
Regardless, that isn't my real point. The real point is that doing what serves you one day, and denouncing it when it doesn't is a perfectly natural thing to do, if you were to ask me. All of us seek something, and not everyone is so proud that they bow to what others think of their thoughts and actions ...for what? the acceptance and love of people who have made mistakes, and committed as much hypocrisy? The people who have surely done something, and then turned their back when it was no longer in their interests?
I say... do what is necessary to reach your goals. Good and evil, hypocrisy, honor... it's all an opinion anyway. It is fun to insult people on those grounds though, if only for some good clean fun.
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