Shadow Tiger Wolfe
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Post by Shadow Tiger Wolfe on Jun 19, 2009 12:14:09 GMT -8
Seyda, what had been said in my post about Alchemy was not about my sire. That was mostly in regards about how he had treated me. Please do not say that it did not affect my mother you were not there. So please do not judge one by just what the post on there banner. Since you honestly don't know the whole situation. I'm sorry...point out where I said that it did not affect her? I do believe, if you read the English that I typed, that I stated that it must not have affected her that badly if she's already someone else's slut. And to be quite honest, the banners are THERE as a promotion of yourself. If you don't want to be viewed as a giant slut, then don't put that you're a slut in your banner. To say not to judge one from what they WILLINGLY put on their banner, is quite frankly, fucking stupid. Did you ever even stop and think that he could have a different culture and the word has a different meaning that what we read it as?
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Post by Do Not PM this Account. on Jun 19, 2009 12:26:21 GMT -8
Any topic stemming from the original topic or the flow of conversation is considered on topic. Please do not attempt to dictate what people do or do not talk about on a free speech newspaper, and I would suggest you read the rules as well. Thank you. Meanwhile. I'm sorry...point out where I said that it did not affect her? I do believe, if you read the English that I typed, that I stated that it must not have affected her that badly if she's already someone else's slut. And to be quite honest, the banners are THERE as a promotion of yourself. If you don't want to be viewed as a giant slut, then don't put that you're a slut in your banner. To say not to judge one from what they WILLINGLY put on their banner, is quite frankly, fucking stupid. That is completely correct. Some words aren't able to be multiply-defined. If a person is calling oneself a slut, behaving as such, and proudly parading the word around in a publicly-viewable signature, then they should not and never should complain when someone else chooses to define them as such. The word "slut" does not have multiple definitions. Not here, not necessarily in other cultures. It may be used sarcastically, or ironically, but the fact of the matter is that no matter the context, it still means the same thing. Perhaps you should do some research on the term and its historical uses, kid. Another fact is that Occamrazor willingly characterized herself as such. If you don't like it, perhaps you should take it up with her about how she presents herself and represents herself and consequently her family line. If you have enough self-awareness that you feel others opinions of you and your sire are that drastically important, then perhaps you should address with your sire the consequences of her behavior. In the meantime, you can't blame any person for reaching the logical conclusion when it has eagerly and obviously been offered to us. It's not even an assumption or an interpretation. She told us she was a slut, and that she was proud of it. In turn, that is how a person is going to think of her and address her while she flaunts it. And again, please read the rules so you're well-versed as to what is considered "on topic" or "off topic".
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Post by abelnovek on Jun 19, 2009 13:05:26 GMT -8
Rules are for people who care.
...Just throwing that out in the wind.
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Liander
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Post by Liander on Jun 19, 2009 13:32:17 GMT -8
The word "slut" does not have multiple definitions. slut 1402, "a dirty, slovenly, or untidy woman," probably cognate with dialectal Ger. Schlutt "slovenly woman," dialectal Swed. slata "idle woman, slut," and Du. slodder "slut," but the ultimate origin is doubtful. Chaucer uses sluttish (c.1386) in ref. to the appearance of an untidy man. Also "a kitchen maid, a drudge" (c.1450; hard pieces in a bread loaf from imperfect kneading were called slut's pennies, 18c.). Meaning "woman of loose character, bold hussy" is attested from c.1450; playful use of the word, without implication of loose morals, is attested from 1664. "Our little girl Susan is a most admirable slut, and pleases us mightily." [Pepys, diary, Feb. 21, 1664] Sometimes used 19c. as a euphemism for bitch to describe a female dog. There is a group of North Sea Gmc. words in sl- that mean "sloppy," and also "slovenly woman," and that tend to evolve toward "woman of loose morals" (cf. slattern, also Eng. dial. slummock "a dirty, untidy, or slovenly person," 1861; M.Du. slore "a sluttish woman"). ---- "Another early meaning was "kitchen maid or drudge" (c. 1450), a meaning retained as late as the 18th century, when hard knots of dough found in bread were referred to as "slut's pennies." A notable example of this use is Samuel Pepys's diary description of his servant girl as "an admirable slut" who "pleases us mightily, doing more service than both the others and deserves wages better"" ---- "the term has been used as an expression of choice to openly have multiple partners, and revel in that choice: "a slut is a person of any gender who has the courage to lead life according to the radical proposition that sex is nice and pleasure is good for you."[9] A slut is a person who has taken control of their sexuality and has sex with whomever they choose, regardless of religious or social pressures or conventions to conform to a straight-laced monogamous lifestyle committed to one partner for life. The term has been "taken back" to express the rejection of the concept that government, society, or religion may judge or control one's personal liberties, and the right to control one's own sexuality" ---- Millersport, OH (WFN) -- These days, when you call someone a slut, it's a big slam on their morality -- but that wasn't always the case. According to "word detective" Evan Morris, the term "slut" originally had nothing to do with sex: It was an early 15th century word for a lower-class woman who was dirty, such as a kitchen maid. He says "slut" gradually took on its naughty meaning as people began to unfairly associate the poorer classes with looser morals. That's not the only sex-oriented word with a chaste past. Morris also mentions that the original definition of "lewd" was, "a person who is not a member of the clergy." He reveals the history of other words of love and sex in the new book, "Making Whoopee: Words of Love for Lovers of Words" (Algonquin).
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Post by Azeara Ezil on Jun 19, 2009 13:51:07 GMT -8
Liander, why were you Googleing sluts? O.o
Rest well and all that.
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Post by Do Not PM this Account. on Jun 19, 2009 15:50:57 GMT -8
It's Liander. When isn't he Googling sluts?
I do stand mildly corrected, though I meant more that the word "slut" does not span cultures in interpretive definition, though its historical context (as I have just learned) does have interpretation.
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Post by occamrazor on Jun 19, 2009 18:39:07 GMT -8
I think I have to double check with Scythian to make sure what exactly he had in mind
but I think I'd like to go with this one;
"the term has been used as an expression of choice to openly have multiple partners, and revel in that choice: "a slut is a person of any gender who has the courage to lead life according to the radical proposition that sex is nice and pleasure is good for you."[9] A slut is a person who has taken control of their sexuality and has sex with whomever they choose, regardless of religious or social pressures or conventions to conform to a straight-laced monogamous lifestyle committed to one partner for life. The term has been "taken back" to express the rejection of the concept that government, society, or religion may judge or control one's personal liberties, and the right to control one's own sexuality"
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Shadow Tiger Wolfe
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Post by Shadow Tiger Wolfe on Jun 19, 2009 19:46:52 GMT -8
......Wow... Mother...Just wow...
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Post by Samantha Dawn on Jun 20, 2009 2:18:40 GMT -8
Occam, the term is a personal choice and yes it does have a alternative meaning to those in the bdsm communities...however many for the most part arent going to care nor find it important enough on your banner to go to the effort to read through all those definitions to find the definition you point out way at the bottom. The majority are going to stop at the first few...which is what they have done. I learned early on that in such a lifestyle I could not expect others that are "vanilla" to accept nor instantly understand such terms. It kind of sets up for that sort of misinterpretation or...attention. More power to you on being you...just dont expect the rest of the readers to always understand such.
~modified to edit R.I.P Alchemy~
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Post by seyda on Jun 20, 2009 5:06:56 GMT -8
I think I have to double check with Scythian to make sure what exactly he had in mind but I think I'd like to go with this one; "the term has been used as an expression of choice to openly have multiple partners, and revel in that choice: "a slut is a person of any gender who has the courage to lead life according to the radical proposition that sex is nice and pleasure is good for you."[9] A slut is a person who has taken control of their sexuality and has sex with whomever they choose, regardless of religious or social pressures or conventions to conform to a straight-laced monogamous lifestyle committed to one partner for life. The term has been "taken back" to express the rejection of the concept that government, society, or religion may judge or control one's personal liberties, and the right to control one's own sexuality" Sluts? did you mean to make that plural or did that bitch Typo Fairy make you do it? One of these things is not like the other..... If your assuming that this is the definition that was used when you were being labeled as a slut (which, I'm not even going to TOUCH that one), then your own comment regarding him using sluts as plural totally blows this one out of the water. Could you PLEASE show some consistency? Are you a dirty, slovenly, or untidy woman? Are you a female dog? Are you a servant girl? Because you're obviously not someone who has multiple partners and embraces it according to your own reaction...
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Post by Liander on Jun 20, 2009 6:48:44 GMT -8
Dirty, slovenly, and untidy were not used as they are today. In the 1400's, those words were used to describe the lower, often poorer, classes by the upper class citizens. It was considered an extreme insult, especially when said from one upper class citizen to another. Quite often, these terms, and "slut," were the results of fights. Seyda, if this is how Scythian views these terms, I would advise caution in using them from this point on. Edit to make myself clear, because I guess I didn't: This is just a friendly piece of advice, and nothing more. I don't want to see drama started because of one man's zeroing.
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Post by rel on Jun 20, 2009 7:30:13 GMT -8
As much as I dig you empowering a word and completely understand the power that can have to your self worth, I wonder why the need to label yourself at all? Just enjoy this immortal life of yours...cause this just sounds like trying way the fuck too hard. The term is subjective. I think it's mostly ridiculous for most who are deemed sluts are anything but OR are being called that by others who are waaaaaay more loose. It's stupid. Like a trixie...they're my favorite cause it just takes one drink from them to turn from a 'good girl' to a very very bad one...
You wanna be called a slut? Killer. I prefer bawdy trollop myself, or...of course...the sure fired staple of 'whore', but hrm... there's 'a broad with gams that won't quit'? how bout a vixen! harlot? But defending it? Why? It's a human term, and last I checked? You're not human...
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Post by Scythian Chornovyl on Jun 20, 2009 7:45:59 GMT -8
Nicely said Rel. Too bad no one pays attention to sluts
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Post by rel on Jun 20, 2009 8:07:39 GMT -8
*howls* HAAAA! Touche my good sir...
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Post by occamrazor on Jun 20, 2009 10:35:40 GMT -8
It amuses me to defile my exes obit
"Our little girl Susan is a most admirable slut, and pleases us mightily." [Pepys, diary, Feb. 21, 1664] ;D
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