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Post by Errah Dragolescu on Jan 2, 2009 0:06:44 GMT -8
however unlikely... I can assure you Raven won't be satisfied with anything less. as the rules of the duel state, the loser forfeits their blood and torpors.
She will see it done one way or the other.
*shrugs*
Everyone has underestimated her... Christ, no one thought she had a prayer against Gev. And she kicked his ass.
You would think by now people would learn not to judge her so quickly.
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Post by ladypeacek on Jan 2, 2009 5:35:53 GMT -8
*snorts* One non-dueler against another non-dueler...no one I know of judged either on who was gonna win...its her attitude, her mouth and her complete disrespect for many that has caused her to be judged and winning the duel...didnt change that one ounce.
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Post by Bug Merovingian on Jan 2, 2009 7:01:12 GMT -8
however unlikely... I can assure you Raven won't be satisfied with anything less. That being the case I wish her luck. She will need it, for it is all but impossible for one pire to completely zero another. I hope she has extremely good funding..... she will need it for this. Everyone has underestimated her... Christ, no one thought she had a prayer against Gev. And she kicked his ass. You would think by now people would learn not to judge her so quickly. First of all, I knew she had a chance at this. I knew she had gotten fast as time passed. I have seen it. As to judging her.... as Pea said, and I quote, "its her attitude, her mouth and her complete disrespect for many that has caused her to be judged and winning the duel...didnt change that one ounce." Raven proved herself against Gev. Neither are duelists. He had just as much chance to win and she did. It matters not in my book. I will say however that I am more than a bit surprised that his clan leader, and his sire, are being so very patient about this. Raven was out-negotiated at the table. This has become no more than a spectacle, and a ludicrous one at that. Perhaps if she had bowed out at the on set she could have painted herself as the gracious winner. That would have scored her some decent PR points. Now this looks like nothing more than a vicious little harpy who just won't let things go. (Edit for context)
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Post by black_dragonet on Jan 2, 2009 8:10:38 GMT -8
Right... In a way, I agree with you. This has become a spectacle, and a ludicrous one at that.
This medal has two faces though... An agreement was reached, and noone disputes that.
One side might have reason to think that "her attitude, her mouth and her complete disrespect for many that has caused her to be judged and winning the duel...didnt change that one ounce.", but others might also point that though the other side is not being a gracious winner, the losing side is proving himself to be... How should I express that? Well, let's say the losing side would appear to give his word and honour of absolutely no value... and those around him seem to accept that, which surprises me greatly from some.
Gevurah admitted that the winner of the duel would let themselves be zeroed. I could agree that Raven is a little vocal over getting what has been promised, but I am inclined to believe that considering the time since the duel was held and the bad grace Gevurah is showing with regard to holding this promise to let himself be zeroed, it is more than understandable that Raven be a little pissed at this "ludicrous spectacle" and a little vocal at getting what has been promised to her.
I wish everyone involved would have some more honour and dignity and would ensure that said zeroing takes place in a shorter time that it will take if this keeps on like today, and that we do not hear about it until the appropriate news is posted in the "Obits" category. I know I am an idealist, though.
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Post by Bug Merovingian on Jan 2, 2009 8:45:12 GMT -8
I have been keeping an eye on this, and have noticed Gev moves everyday. Raven hit's him an average of more than once a day, which does say she is trying. But when one vocalizes as much as she has on this in the past, it is not unreasonable to expect more from her. More than just a luke warm performance, at any rate.
From what I can gather he has been keeping within the terms of the agreement. I also get the feeling that had he not been in keeping with them, Mona would certainly have spoken out against his actions. This being said, I still feel this is taking far too long.
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Post by seyda on Jan 2, 2009 9:04:40 GMT -8
Exactly. Gev has been moving daily. Nowhere in the agreement was it stated that Gev would stick his ass in the air and allow Raven to tag it freely. The agreement was that he would let himself be zeroed by Raven. Once she gets him to garlic range, she will have to combine scrolls, like most of the rest of us who get someone into garlic range. Combining garlic and scrolls will give her the ability to zero Gevurah because he won't be able to bite back 200+ daily.
Is it a lot of resources? Sure. But, if she didn't have the resources to get the job done, she shouldn't have made the deal.
Just my .02.
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Post by black_dragonet on Jan 2, 2009 9:09:10 GMT -8
*nods at the above two* I agree with you. If he moves daily at least, then there's no reason to complain. A DEDICATED warrior has no difficulty zeroing a pire that moves daily at least. If this proves to expensive, or too tiring, then it is another story. Anyway, I hope this is over soon, and discreetely.
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Post by Errah Dragolescu on Jan 2, 2009 10:20:33 GMT -8
Would Love To.....I am working with what I am given Btw peck....I was just curious....I didn't think I said anything...just showed that 752 pints missing.....Your right he might of hit a hunter...I hope he at leasted killed it and got the coinage if he did. Thats the last thing she's said in this thread. Or about anything at all. Before that, she simply pointed out that it appeared someone else had hit him--be it pire or human. She was simply covering her own ass.... You all know she doesnt' trust Gev in the least--and she didn't want anyone to say that SHE was the cheater--that SHE had called in other hitters. Because she's been doing it all her self. Just as it was agreed. She even had the grace to hope that he got something out of it *shrugs* I don't see anything disrespectful in that. She simply pointed out a fact to cover her ass, and then accepted Peacek's explaination for it. I don't see her "running her mouth" or "mouthing off" either. How can any of you? I think the only thing she's really spoken out on after the end of the duel is the fact that she woke up one day and...he'd appeared to have dropped a few hundred pints... She was just letting people know that she had noticed, and that, though she didn't care, she wasnt the only one who appeared to be taking their toll on Gev's BP--regardless of whether it be pire or human. How is that disrespectful? She pointed out a fact. Guess what? Grass is green. Its a fact. That's all. ---- Bug, hon, what did you expect? Unless she catches him live--which has only happened a few times (like 1 that i've known about) It is GOING to take time... And Raven's not complained about that. Do you honestly think she's going to let a challange like this escape her? *chuckles* As for funding... *grins* do you honestly think she'll have problems with that? I'd give her every coin in my account if it would help... but she's not asked a penny from me. She knows how difficult things are going to be. But she's never wavered in her resolve. And...she knows how to use scrolls --- Pea, its true, neither of them make a habit of dueling. But you cannot deny that Gev has had a LOT of experience with live fights. He's fast, and a furious fighter. He's been in the city a lot longer than Raven--and he knows how its done. For me, it wasn'ta bout dueler vs non-dueler... It was about experience. Gev simply has more experience under his belt than Raven does. THAT'S why i said that there were many who thought she had no chance. It was the natural thing to assume.
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Post by Majica on Jan 2, 2009 10:58:57 GMT -8
She hits him inside my family home again, she won't have to worry about Gev's blood anymore. She'll have to worry about her own.
There is a sign clearly stated on the entrance to my Lair, placed there by Lord Ravenblack himself that reads "Check your weapons at the door for this is a place of non violence." She wants to come inside, displace him, teleport to him, then fine. Do that. But do not hit my childe inside his home again.
Furthermore, the agreement was that Gev was to go about his normal activities. He is doing exactly that. He ventures out every day to feed & theive then returns back to his family home. He is upholding his end of said agreement.
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Post by Bug Merovingian on Jan 2, 2009 11:16:59 GMT -8
Errah said:
Challenge? I see it as nothing more than someone attempting to exploit an opportunity that she was too timid to act on prior to his becoming "alone" in a feeble attempt to gain a notch in her proverbial belt. I can't help but notice that she did nothing until she perceived a weakness. Much like a common feral dog would do. Now that she as started such actions, she is all but bound to complete them lest she look a complete fool. I do find it to be astounding however, at the amazing amounts of patience being expelled by his clan leader, as well as his sire.
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Post by Errah Dragolescu on Jan 2, 2009 12:15:55 GMT -8
*shakes her head* You seem to think she cares what people think of her. She got herself into this mess, for whatever the reason, and she will get herself out. So what if she's an opportunist? She's a vampire. We're not exactly known to be guarded by our human morals.
Before, when she was under his name, of course she wouldn't attack him. And after, when he still had his followers... people she cared about... she refused because she didnt want to involve them in her personal vendetta.
Its always been between she and Gev. Thats the way she precieves it.
Think of her what you want. Doesn't change anything.
She's never sought public approval for her actions. She's not as concerned with PR as ...say... you.
To each their own.
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Post by Majica on Jan 2, 2009 12:46:49 GMT -8
*shakes her head* You seem to think she cares what people think of her. She got herself into this mess, for whatever the reason, and she will get herself out. So what if she's an opportunist? She's a vampire. We're not exactly known to be guarded by our human morals. Oh? Is that so? Hmmm. Sooo, what you're saying is that it's ok for Mona to be an opportunist and for Gev... not... to be? You're right in one thing. We're not exactly known to be guarded by our human morals and I will add... neither are we bound by them either. I mean.. right Errah? Before, when she was under his name, of course she wouldn't attack him. And after, when he still had his followers... people she cared about... she refused because she didnt want to involve them in her personal vendetta. Its always been between she and Gev. Thats the way she precieves it. So.. in other words, she waited - then jumped on the Meph bandwagon yes? Think of her what you want. Doesn't change anything.
She's never sought public approval for her actions. She's not as concerned with PR as ...say... you. To each their own. She's never been concerned with PR? Seems to me I flipped through all the newspapers not long ago and was surprised to see a screenshot storybook that went on.. and on... and on. But, she's not concerned with public relations at all. Is she?
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Post by Bug Merovingian on Jan 2, 2009 13:08:59 GMT -8
So.. in other words, she waited - then jumped on the Meph bandwagon yes? Actually I don't see this as bandwagon jumping so much as simple opportunism. But that is neither here nor there as far as I am concerned. What concerns me is her seemingly lackadaisical approach to killing him after speaking so adamantly for his blood.
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Post by Errah Dragolescu on Jan 2, 2009 13:44:52 GMT -8
Ok bug, how would you kill him if it was JUST you? theres only so much one pire can do on their own. She's been hitting him as much as she can. Her schedule doesn't really alot her much time to spend on him. So she goes in and gets the job done (for the time being) and then goes back later when he's moved, and she has the time. She's not worried about how LONG it will take. She's not even worried if he chooses to chase hunters. She will keep doing what shes doing regardless of what he chooses to do. She's committed to seeing what she's asked for completed. Her sheer lack of giving up should tell you that nothing has changed for her. it might appear lakadaisical... but shes still very serious about what shes doing. thers just so much one can do alone. Plus, she's been involved in family issues, as well as clan hits... so her attention is devided, but her resolve remains steadfast. As for Maj, I agree with you-- I never said that Gev's opprotunistic nature is wrong. I have no problem with what he is doing--because he's doing what any pire should and would do. As for joining Meph's bandwagon... I'm not entirely sure i know what you mean. What she did--when she first attacked him was for her own personal reasons. Everything she's been through with him--on top of the blatant fact that he used her clan to help him accomplish a goal when there was no wrong done by the victim (Meph) pushed her too far. She claimed in the very beginning that this was her vendetta. She never asked for help--though she did recieve it from a few. She also never believed in anything Gev and Meph did to each other. that's part of why we seperated from the Merovingian's to begin with. We thought the fight between Meph and Gev was rediculous, especially when Gev asked his family to hit (well, said he'd appreciate their help). Now, i'm sure you'll point out the rediculousness of this duel/fight/zeroing as well. And you have every right to. Many would agree. What makes the difference to us, though, is that she's standing up for what she believes in. She's doing what she feels is right and what sets her heart at ease. Im positive that no one will care about that--but its the truth, none the less. Granted, I imagine this looks just as stupid in the books of many as the bumblefuck between Gev and Meph did. The only difference, is that this is personal to her. And perhaps she has tried her hand at PR in the past. *shrugs* neither of us claim to be good at it. Neither of us claim to be diplomats, either. We're loud-mouthed and opinionated, and you know what, we're still loved by those who matter to us. We aren't going to change who we are just because some don't approve. We're perfectly happy being 'petulant brats'
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Post by Akedna Angelicus on Jan 2, 2009 13:59:56 GMT -8
Actually from a sidelines standpoint I see all this talk as wordsmiths and one up manship but then that's just how I see? Who is wrong, who is right. She won, he takes a fall, seems simple to me.
respects Akedna
Shrugs, looking somewhat confused and goes back to reading.
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