rel
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Post by rel on Jun 23, 2009 6:03:07 GMT -8
Protective Solidarity of the Wildes... that's gonna the name of my next band...or album title, i haven't decided. Although then I'd have to cut an album, and who has the time honestly. Maybe I'll just have a t-shirt made...
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kaio999
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Post by kaio999 on Jun 23, 2009 7:14:50 GMT -8
What does family size have to do with anything Kaio? One does not measure their worth by the number of vampires they can collect and call family so your comment has zero bearing. While I understand you were trying to be insulting to Damari, you've failed miserably based on that comment alone. ~HiS~ The number of vampires who stand by you as family does matter. It represents the people willing to stand beside you in your endevours. It also represents your ability to watch over, and manage others. A talent she has. A talent Damari does not. In fact, the only talent Damari has displayed at all is the ability to bitch and complain... Alot. Now ophelia is that clear enough for ya?
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Post by ophelia Lokason on Jun 23, 2009 7:47:40 GMT -8
I suppose it does. I've never viewed family as a body count to stand by so I suppose that's where our perspectives will vary. Numbers mean very little at the end of a night. I also have never viewed family as something similar to a business or office full of employees that must be 'managed'. Again, different point of views. Some vampires have family. Some vampires run them. It's good to know which category you fall into and which you believe Majica does as well. *shrugs*
~HiS~
*modified to edit and clarify*
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Post by Makurayami Silverblood on Jun 23, 2009 21:35:14 GMT -8
since i'm late on the draw and have no patience to quote everyone for each of the 6 pages i read i'll just post things in little segments-
If this is how the Wilde's are.. I'm sorry to ever have been named as one.. actually re-phrase. I'm sorrier now than i ever was. I never took claim to the Wilde name but i was a Stormshadow at one point. Melks and CG treated me nothing but kindly that's what matters to me. they upheld the Bastions better than anyone else in the family ever did... You have my love Celeste, and you know it well.
also- why anyone would NOT choose tejas... well.. As long as i've known her she's been nothing but good to me, that's what counts in my book
another point- I was a solar at one point and in no way shape or form are any of those people cowards. They are all amazing and i've seen them fight. The greatest battles are done with wit and mind. It takes intelligence to state a point and do the research to back it up. any tom dick or andy with an arm can run around throwing holy water and garlic spray about. if you want an example of cowardice just ask me. i've got a personal best for ya.
and numbers are just numbers. you only need one person with a strong will and mind to hold up an idea. if others feel the same and are willing to stand next to you for it all the better. but one person is all it takes.
Makurayami Silverblood. (Dmon)
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Post by - Acheron - on Jun 25, 2009 11:51:12 GMT -8
Having principles and standing by them is rare in the city these days. I applaud my Siress for drawing the line somewhere. It matters not whether I or anyone else agrees with the logic or ethics involved. This is an internal family matter and in this pires opinion should have remained as such. Majica is a very loving and caring sire and would do anything for them. She is loyal to her childer to an extreme. Such family loyalty and devotion deserves respect and reciprocity from her childer. It seems that families and clans have become revolving doors where petulant childer move in and out of as they lash out with one tantrum after another. On top of this there are those who would easily take them in and claim them thinking somehow things will be different. This short sightedness and moral decrepitude is sickening. The city has gone to shit and families mean little to nothing to far too many pires in the city. We, the elders , only have ourselves to blame. We have turned a blind eye to the social decay occurring before our very eyes all for the sake of self preservation and social apathy. You all might not like what you see here but I say karma is a bitch and if you are looking for someone to blame, try looking in the mirror. Maj is not perfect but at least she has some integrity.
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Moons
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Post by Moons on Jun 25, 2009 12:22:07 GMT -8
Very much agreed, Acheron.
I agree that many clans and families have become like shopping malls with revolving doors. People going in to get what they want, finding they don't like what they see or getting whatever immediately sates them, and quickly exiting soon after. Majica is nothing like what exists today; she prides herself on her love for her childer, and I know from experience how much effort, time and care she puts into being there for them, and for the entire family. I know that in times when I could not be around to look after my own childer, she was the first to approach and 'step up'. After my former brother, Pulse went dead and buried the first time, she looked after his childer as best she could, and it is the bonds with her family that she has always held above all others.
I realize that many people do not like her for various reasons, not the first or last of which is that she is a mother figure before all else. She's gotten flak for it for as long as I know, for being loving and kind as opposed to cruel as so many within the city so prize themselves at being. But, I think it's unfair to judge her twice for the same mindframe. First, complain about her nature, and then complain once more about her nature when she makes an action.
I suppose what I'm saying is that she should be held to one standard, and not a shifting scale. It should stand as more proof than anything that there was something wrong in the matter of CG, that she has been so benevolent in her dealings with family in the past.
Ultimately, the issue here is not so much everyone else's opinion on this matter, there will always be the nay-sayers, the insult flingers, and the muckrakers; this is inescapable in nearly any society. Majica did what she felt she had to do for her family, and those who do truly know her, know the reasoning behind her actions; they have faith in her judgement not only as a person, but as an important figure within her family structure. She has the support and love that she needs from the ones who matter to her, at least, I hope she knows that.
I find it almost upsetting that many individuals (And no, I don't mean the ones who likely would have had a bad opinion anyway), so quickly moved to judge without knowing the full events leading up to Majica's choice, and without having the above mentioned faith in her as a person. Perhaps I am untowardly naive, but I try to give vampires the benefit of the doubt in most cases.
Anyway, the main point is that Maji is not a product of this city as so many are. She is not a sire hopper, not a clan jumper, nor does she foster the same paranoia, anger, and hostility that so many do. No, she is not a product of the city, she's a key factor in it, something that is a bit of bright against the gloom, and instead of embracing her differences, she is harshly overlooked, her opinions overturned and so on. As Acheron said, Karma is a bitch, and from that Maji has absolutely nothing to fear.
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Damari
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Post by Damari on Jul 9, 2009 3:26:38 GMT -8
Maji dont apologize because the bitch queen decided to make an announcement. Damari just cant handle the fact your better than her in every conceivable way. Larger family, more influence, a greater voice in matters of the city. Shes being a whiny little shit-disturber, because she can be. Nothing more, ignore her, its healthier for the city lest you be consumed the toxic gas that spews forth from that thing she calls a mouth. Nothing more than a bad odor, and you were in the right. CG made her choice, and should be forced to live with the consequences. Announcing it made it clear to the citizens that she did not have the protective solidarity of the Wildes. Nuff said. The Queen Bitch got Wonky Tits to bend over... cause I'm R.I.G.H.T. The only thing forced here is the fact the Wilde's look S.T.U.P.I.D. Ohh yeah... and all your frothing at the mouth like a lunatic only confirms what was already known about the head of the bloodline. Her brains are based in her silicon tits. Maj is not perfect but at least she has some integrity. Integrity my ass. What she had was a fucking temper tantrum and spat the dummy and now looks like a moron. That's not integrity. That's just dumb. No, she is not a product of the city, she's a key factor in it, something that is a bit of bright against the gloom, and instead of embracing her differences, she is harshly overlooked, her opinions overturned and so on. As Acheron said, Karma is a bitch, and from that Maji has absolutely nothing to fear. Bright against the gloom? Yeah, your her childer alright. Her opinions are overturned and overlooked because her intelligence in making those decisions are pretty negligible. And Moons, she made EXACTLY the same decision that Tejas made in her stupid twilight zone. She VALIDATED what is obviously decisions of crazy vampires to prove a point no one gave a SHIT about and she gave it depth and breadth and meaning when everyone ELSE chose to ignore the ravings of the lunatics as what they were. Insanity. And by doing so she made herself as much a hypocrite of the situation as Tejas and her demented co-crazy Archangel. But no, Majica is so suddenly in the moral right for standing by her PRINCIPLES? And what principles would those be? The ones where she cuts off a caring neutral in her family for being, fucking NEUTRAL? And all because some nut job vampires who have sniffed a little too much paint thinner gave a unbelievably stupid ultimatum about their 'other universe' of reality? Come on? It's so thin it's transparent. Everyone was on her side, until she showed the fact that her side is just as FUCKING CRAZY. She's no less vindictive and prone to stupidity as those two she has claimed vociferously to naysay. *shrug* Whatever. Bitch or no Queen Bitch. This one I called right. She just smeared her undies all over the city for us to see and it's very distasteful. Bleah. The number of vampires who stand by you as family does matter. It represents the people willing to stand beside you in your endevours. It also represents your ability to watch over, and manage others. A talent she has. A talent Damari does not. In fact, the only talent Damari has displayed at all is the ability to bitch and complain... Alot. Now ophelia is that clear enough for ya? I don’t manage my family dip shit. I don’t NEED to. I have had the same little teensy circle as my own since their conception. They haven’t changed, they haven’t left and if I could get their lazy, silent asses to DO something, they’d still be with me 110%. I don’t dictate what they say, I don’t dictate who they talk to. Hell, my childer successfully brought about the zeroing of Lucius thank you very fucking much. And in all of that they are still mine and despite all differences and many arguments disagreements and pleas for them to give me all their gold. They are still mine. Plus, I’m a completely shit Sire. *grin* I know it. Then again, so do those who have been brave enough to bring themselves into the fold. I don’t let anyone go. Not for being something as honest as THEMSELVES. I give to my family, what I expect from those who join me in mine. Respect, honesty and the FREE WILL to make their own choices, good or bad. Majica, obviously, in her own self flagellation, can’t.
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Post by Damari on Jul 9, 2009 3:31:16 GMT -8
Ohh correction. Am left. But the I dragged the heifer back ... now she's mine again. *grin* Like I said, what is mine, is always mine. Even, when strictly speaking, it aint mine anymore.
I'm jealous that way.
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