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Post by Mandolin on Aug 6, 2008 7:29:28 GMT -8
if her father won't protect her and be there for her as he should be, then it shows how much he care about each child he has...but to me it looks more like more bps for him and pyres to brain wash.... *blinks* I'm sorry for your misconception, Thalia, but AA has been protecting her for months. Ebony kept doing things without his knowledge and that went against clan orders. He refused to kick her from the clan when he found out because he had promised her he never would, which is why I did it. He took her every word as truth until he was presented with enough hard facts to show him that Ebony was lying to his face and working against him. I pray that she finds a home, and I also pray that she doesn't betray those in it like she did her last clan and family. And in case anyone was wondering... no, Ebony's not going to be zeroed. She's simply not worth the effort anymore.
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Post by thalialeu on Aug 6, 2008 9:40:31 GMT -8
Not to split hairs or anything, but if NitWit did as Mandolin indicated, then Ebony's Sire would be doing her a grave disservice by 'protecting her as he should'. Not to mention that it's a bit foolish to expect Archangel to do anything in ways that would be deemed 'normal' or standard. Actually Ophelia you are right, expecting AA do something "normal" is...well...hair pulled... (Fixed yer quote code. <3)
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Post by seyda on Aug 9, 2008 5:49:25 GMT -8
Okay than... "Ebony Moon, because of gross misconduct with a student, giving out of clan files and secrets, continued relationships with several enemies of the clan, and plotting against a clan officer, you are being removed from Clan Capadocious." In addition to that she was plotting to bring in friends and overthrow Archangel and the other officers. I do have proof of said plot and the other events, but I have promised my sources that they would not be named. It took you guys THIS long to figure out that she was a giant pile of idiot? You saw the EXACT same thing when she was in my bloodline, but then it was okay, because it was me? Pfft.
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Post by seyda on Aug 9, 2008 5:51:09 GMT -8
Would like to say that from today Ebony is under the protectiong of the REAL CAPADOCIAN CLAN..so any matter about her or problem should be directed to me. Ouch. You sure you want to catch cancer? Really? I'm asking you honestly.
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Post by Christabel Sinclair on Aug 9, 2008 6:37:34 GMT -8
I have to agree with seyda. I have known EM for some time and keep watching her put her mouth in gear before the brain (if there is one) can put it in check. Me thinks she likes to hear herself talk cause most of it makes no sense in the first place.. This is not the first time she has gone behind a clan to bring in enemies.. And if history is the reflector of the future, it wont be the last till clans wake up and let her stay rogue perhaps.. Well that is my two cents worth.. Good luck thalialeu
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Post by Mephistophlese Sinclair on Aug 9, 2008 7:00:59 GMT -8
I usually don't agree with EB's train of thought either. However, in her defense, she means well. EB wanted to unite the 2 or 3 factions. And to do that, she had to be polite and diplomatic with her sires enemies. I've known EB a very long time. And I usually bash her publicly. But truth be told, I still like her on a personal level. Besides... I've trashed my rep pretty good too. But then, right now I don't give a fuck about my rep. I have to unlive with myself 24/7. "To thine own self be true." If my views are contrary to what the rest of the city thinks... Oh well... But never will I sell out my beliefs to fit in. I'm not a sheep and I never will be. I've tried it and it didn't work out so well.
Anyway, Good luck EB. I do mean that. Later on, when you re-establish yourself, I'll bash you some more.
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Post by Aki Shindeimasu on Aug 9, 2008 16:28:19 GMT -8
Good luck with everything, Ebony. :/
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Post by Vella on Aug 10, 2008 2:31:24 GMT -8
thalialeu,
If you have your own reasons, you got your own reasons. But if you think she is honourable or honest, I really suggest you do a little more digging. Seriously.
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Post by thalialeu on Aug 10, 2008 5:00:54 GMT -8
Looks people, whatever she did is in the past, for me she is starting a new unlife, and I will support her.
Seyda, not sure what she did t you, and cancer? well It won't kill me...remember we are already dead.
Meph is right, what she does, she tries to make it for good, not for bad, she is a pyre that doesn't show fake colors, she shows herself as she is, better then others here.
and Vella, yes I have my reasons, and if I decide or not to dig more, is my decition too.
thank you very much.
*OOC: thanks Coque's human for fixing the quote*
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Post by Mandolin on Aug 10, 2008 19:38:27 GMT -8
It took you guys THIS long to figure out that she was a giant pile of idiot? You saw the EXACT same thing when she was in my bloodline, but then it was okay, because it was me? Pfft. It took her sire this long to focus on the fact that he needed to deal with a clan member instead of hoping his love would help his daughter straighten out and become a decent clan member. If you look at that fantastic abbreviated list I set out as a reason for her dismissal, the issues have been piling up for months. Each time she acted in a manner that was far less than appropriate, which was often, she was penalized. However, stripping her of her officer position, her teaching position, and basically all other duties she had within the clan had no effect on her and only caused her to act in a more rash manner with each of her attempts at... whatever she was trying to do. Her attempt at overthrowing her sire and leader was simply the final straw
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Post by Ebony Drakonis-Sslyth on Aug 11, 2008 2:07:39 GMT -8
Well, I must say that this have been an interesting read...First off I will not and have not denied any of the actions that I had taken while I was in my father's clan, but to tell you the truth Mandolin, you have always known me to be a piress that does my own thing. On top of that if you noticed the more work you guys gave me to do the less trouble I caused but when you started stripping that away well I just simply got bored. Is that a proper reason for anything that I did...no, but I still did them. Also most of the things that you have listed have only really happened in the last month except for talking with Thalia, but then again I did stop talking to her when I was asked to, however, I did start talking to her again. Now if you want to scream the fact that I was continuing my relationship with her since she was a 'clan enemy'...well all I got to say is....look in the mirror...you are bedding with a clan enemy and in fact your binding is scheduled for August 30th. So I won't listen to that reason but I still don't deny my actions. Now on the topic of me overthrowing my father's clan....well that was a topic of discussion that actually took place the day before I was kicked and actually someone came to me about it and NO it was not Thalia. Now whether it's worth protecting this pire or not doesn't matter to me but I will not give up the name.
Now Christabel....you claim that you know me but honest no you don't...you have actually been in a clan with me for only a couple months and that was more than a year ago when Mephistophlese was your sire. Now there was a reason that I didn't listen to him and we have already talked about it and moved on. Meph and I have a healthy tension between us because he was my sire back in 2003. I love him dearly because he is a good friend and he was a great sire but at the time we were still young in the city together so we went separate ways with no hard feelings.
Meph, you know that I look forward to our bickering again because it's a little unhealthy for us to get along for a great deal of time...you would think hell froze over or something, however, I do kindly thank you for the support and I am doing very well.
Seyda....wow...Seyda, well I wish you would get over it because the only thing that I didn't do when I was in your bloodline was listen to you when you wanted me to leave Archangel's clan. Yes, I told you that I would and honestly I had full intension of listening to you and was walking out the door of the clan when Arch stopped me and had a little chat. Yes, that little chat made me decide to stay in the clan. Did I tell...no...was I going to...eventually but it doesn't matter and you really should get over it.
Now I am with Thalia as it has been made very clear in every paper in this city. I don't have any intention of doing her any wrong. I will also note that her and I had talked about the what if's and it was decided that IF I was ever kicked from my father's clan then I would have a home. Now I took her up on her offer. She is a very good friend of mine and almost enough for me to be her child but I will be sticking with my father. I don't need protecting but if she wants to provide it then I won't turn it away either. She has been by my side when I was pretty much at zero for two months straight and she personally knows that I look at it as battle training...there is no better training in the art or war and attacking than live battle in the city and for two months that is exactly what I had. I have never whined about my attacks...only rose above them. I do plan on working just as hard in Thalia's clan as I did in my father's clan but yes I will be taking things in a different approach because I am starting over and I am starting a new in this unlife. These are only my thoughts and feelings, however, I know that no matter what you will have your own interpretation of what I just said and that's okay everyone is entitled to their opinions.
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Post by Elektra on Aug 11, 2008 4:36:43 GMT -8
but to tell you the truth Mandolin, you have always known me to be a piress that does my own thing. To put it quite simply: If you can't follow clan rules, you shouldn't even be in a clan.
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Post by thalialeu on Aug 11, 2008 9:37:30 GMT -8
but to tell you the truth Mandolin, you have always known me to be a piress that does my own thing. To put it quite simply: If you can't follow clan rules, you shouldn't even be in a clan. And it depends on her wishes, and the clan that accepts her.
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Post by Mandolin on Aug 11, 2008 15:40:00 GMT -8
Well, I must say that this have been an interesting read...First off I will not and have not denied any of the actions that I had taken while I was in my father's clan, but to tell you the truth Mandolin, you have always known me to be a piress that does my own thing. On top of that if you noticed the more work you guys gave me to do the less trouble I caused but when you started stripping that away well I just simply got bored. Is that a proper reason for anything that I did...no, but I still did them. Also most of the things that you have listed have only really happened in the last month except for talking with Thalia, but then again I did stop talking to her when I was asked to, however, I did start talking to her again. Goodness, where to start? Doing your own thing? If you want to do your own thing, sever your sire, childer, and ties to any clan you have because all of those things carry a degree of responsibility. To be truly free of any and all restriction on yourself, you need to be free of any and all ties. I can assure you that if you have family or a clan, one of the two will keep you from always acting as you always want. The only thing I noticed about the amount of work you were given is that the more you had, the more messes you got into. a) Give you a place of authority in the dojo... you have an affair with a student and neglect several others.. which may have been a blessing in disguise. b) You get mad about the reunification talks and a friend of yours that you were ranting to HW's your sire and leader because of your whining. c) Give you an officer position and you use it to help plot an overthrow of the same clan that took you in and that you fought so hard for in the first place. You were never happy unless you had it all your way. Responsibility was taken away from you as a punishment because it was deemed that you weren't mature enough to handle it... and you kept proving the decision was a good one with your petty actions and refusal to follow clan orders. Now if you want to scream the fact that I was continuing my relationship with her since she was a 'clan enemy'...well all I got to say is....look in the mirror...you are bedding with a clan enemy and in fact your binding is scheduled for August 30th. So I won't listen to that reason but I still don't deny my actions.
See, the thing with that is that I was totally honest about the whole relationship from when it got serious and on. Also, I don't tell my darling husband-to-be about things that go on in private clan halls, and I've never asked him if I'd be allowed into his clan if I was ever to leave Cap. Don't try and validate your actions with Thalia by saying I'm doing the same thing because there's a world of difference between your situation and mine, Ebony. A world of difference.
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Post by thalialeu on Aug 12, 2008 2:19:02 GMT -8
How is it diferent? You are Sleeping with your leader's enemy: LESION...and your sire is not happy about it right or is he jumping in a leg?
It isn't diferent at all you are doing the same being friendly with the "enemy".
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