Official Statement of The Invictus

[Liander]

As most of us know, there are many sides to a war. Unfortunately, not everyone knows the story of each side. There are 5 clans in this war, and countless individuals, each with their own reasons for joining and fighting within it. A few of you have made presumptions as to why The Invictus are fighting, and this statement is an attempt to rectify those presumptions.

Why did The Invictus get involved? The answer is simple enough. This clan had formed an alliance with Tal'Mahe'Ra prior to the conflict. It is for this reason, and none other, that we are in this war. When our allies fight, so shall we.

Do we believe there is any one wrong or right side in this conflict? No. Right and wrong does not apply here, as each side does what they do in the belief that they are right. Leaders of L'inconnu hired Splinters to eliminate succour heads before the declaration of war was made. Kaelani spied, and was revealed. Both sides of this conflict have wanted this war for a long time, and both are equally able to outwit and outfight the other.

Some of you like to speak of the numbers of this war. That 4 clans against 1 is not fair. Why not? Our 4 clans has assembled 25 fighters, and their 1 clan has assembled 18. Even enough odds in any war.

A great many of you are still hung up on the spying. I ask you - Why? We are vampires, not honor-bound mortals. Spying is a clever way to outwit your enemy. If you don't like it, there is always the option of doing the same, or in many cases, worse. If you're not clever enough to do so, then stop whining.

Again, some of you also seem to believe that L'inconnu hiring the Splinters was a strategic move. On this point, I disagree. The leaders of L'inconnu had hired the Splinters before the declaration of war was ever made. This means one of two things; either they were retaliating for the spying, or they were attempting to make a covert first move against the Dumonts in hopes of warring. Neither of these options are bad, and I commend the leaders of L'inconnu either way.

Things are never black and white, right or wrong. Each person has their own opinion, but not everyone must listen. When words will not suffice, blood must run through our dark streets. Such is the way of unlife. There is no such thing as a just, nor fair, nor legitimate war. People bicker, and the shit hits the fan.

However, I will say this - this war does seem somewhat one sided. L'inconnu has plenty enough warriors, but they do not seem to have the strategic mind nor the will to retaliate with any real force. Indeed, many of their numbers have fallen without a fight. If they want any hope of winning, they need to step up their game.

To those fallen, and resting - May you rise stronger than ever. To those fighting - Strike with a fury that your foes have never before seen.

I commend and respect both sides of this war, and I am honored for this to be my first, true war.

[Tifereth]

Like Jada said, we didn't really have any qualms against the Dumonts. We -never wanted- this war, nor we are putting too much effort in it, obviously, and, while the fighting has been incredibly fun, you keep saying the same the rest of your side keeps saying and it is getting rather repetitive.
How many times do we have to repeat that we don't particularly care for this battle? I hope you don't take it as an insult, it really is not, but it is the truth.

"L'inconnu has plenty enough warriors, but they do not seem to have the strategic mind ..."

I am Jack's sense of amusement. Keep at it, kid, you make me laugh plenty, and your views are indeed rather... interesting and colorful.
To put it mildly.

Thank you for your kind words, however!

[Liander]

Oct 3, 2009 17:43:16 GMT -8 Tifereth said:

We -never wanted- this war, nor we are putting too much effort in it, obviously, and, while the fighting has been incredibly fun, you keep saying the same the rest of your side keeps saying and it is getting rather repetitive.
How many times do we have to repeat that we don't particularly care for this battle?

Dropping more than a mil in coins to have the Splinters zero the succour heads of your foe hardly screams "we don't care."

News flash - No one really believes you when you say you're putting little effort into this. The only way to show the city or your enemies that you truly don't care would be to shut the fuck up and take your zeroings bending over.

The simple fact is, very few of your clan are 'pire enough to handle this war. You've put effort into this, whether or not you claim it to be little, which speaks for itself.

[Surenitee]

Oct 3, 2009 17:43:16 GMT -8 Tifereth said:

Like Jada said, we didn't really have any qualms against the Dumonts. We -never wanted- this war, nor we are putting too much effort in it, obviously, and, while the fighting has been incredibly fun, you keep saying the same the rest of your side keeps saying and it is getting rather repetitive.
How many times do we have to repeat that we don't particularly care for this battle? I hope you don't take it as an insult, it really is not, but it is the truth.

"L'inconnu has plenty enough warriors, but they do not seem to have the strategic mind ..."

I am Jack's sense of amusement. Keep at it, kid, you make me laugh plenty, and your views are indeed rather... interesting and colorful.
To put it mildly.

Thank you for your kind words, however!

The issue between your clan and the Dumont family has been breathing and very much alive for some time. It bleeds back into the streets from the Scion/D'dary war between King Lestat and Ace. It bleeds back from the fight Daly/Abel Novek fought with the D'darys, and the constant debating between both sides.

You have all been disrespectful twards eachother, and it is a proven fact that your clan has been looking to zero/get zeroed the head of the Dumont line, thus, this war has started. Your innocent acting in this is hard for myself, and anyone who holds half a brain to believe.

There is no such thing as an innocent bystandard in war. There is, however, mindless strategies, that never seem to work.

[Tifereth]

...And we haven't? Most of us have already fallen, no one has denied that, and I'll be the first to admit I was zeroed by the Dumonts.
Hardly the point, however.
You don't seem to be one to have the right to be opinionated over the fact of "shutting the fuck up", since you aren't doing that yourself--and you've been zeroed and all too, Liander, though you conveniantly seem to be forgetting that fact. But hey, good job at making your side look bad! Though your lineage and Clan in particular do not seem to be having a problem in proving that all by themselves.
Of course, this is excepting Ace and most of the Dumonts. I had a blast fighting them, and they deserve my respect and my sincerest recognition as warriors, I would not deny them that.

As in for the Splinters? Well then, I'll let you think about it. If you're going to whine about it being 'dishonorable', I can't for the unlife of mee see why you are allied with someone who sends spies to other Clans to gather information. That's "bad", too, right?

No. It's strategy. It's what's conveniant. Now, boy, quit your yappin', I'd love to see YOU "shutting the fuck up and taking your zeroing bending over". Aye?

Heh. Well, it was a pleasure.

[Tifereth]

Oct 3, 2009 19:00:32 GMT -8 Surenitee said:

Oct 3, 2009 17:43:16 GMT -8 Tifereth said:

Like Jada said, we didn't really have any qualms against the Dumonts. We -never wanted- this war, nor we are putting too much effort in it, obviously, and, while the fighting has been incredibly fun, you keep saying the same the rest of your side keeps saying and it is getting rather repetitive.
How many times do we have to repeat that we don't particularly care for this battle? I hope you don't take it as an insult, it really is not, but it is the truth.

"L'inconnu has plenty enough warriors, but they do not seem to have the strategic mind ..."

I am Jack's sense of amusement. Keep at it, kid, you make me laugh plenty, and your views are indeed rather... interesting and colorful.
To put it mildly.

Thank you for your kind words, however!

The issue between your clan and the Dumont family has been breathing and very much alive for some time. It bleeds back into the streets from the Scion/D'dary war between King Lestat and Ace. It bleeds back from the fight Daly/Abel Novek fought with the D'darys, and the constant debating between both sides.

You have all been disrespectful twards eachother, and it is a proven fact that your clan has been looking to zero/get zeroed the head of the Dumont line, thus, this war has started. Your innocent acting in this is hard for myself, and anyone who holds half a brain to believe.

There is no such thing as an innocent bystandard in war. There is, however, mindless strategies, that never seem to work.

That would be all nice and good if only Ace had participated in the Scions vs. D'dary war more than a week because of the fact that he had been spying for---oh, let's see---LESTAT!
Again, your point is null, void, and your knowledge in history is flawed.

Ahem.

Now, I don't see how I've been disrespectful--at all. If anything, all the shit being spewed seems to have come from your side, not ours. You wanna see disrespectful? Take a look in the mirror dear. Take a look at your own responses in the other threads regarding these matters, in the Obituaries, and then again in here--from both you and your allies.

Again, my respects for most Dumonts. For you, kid... well... I have a very "Liander" quote for you.

"A modest little person, with much to be modest about."

Ta.

[Liander]

You're missing the points, and ignoring what has been said.

I never said hiring Splinters was bad or dishonorable. Simply that it contradicts your statement of "we don't care." Stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm not insulting you for being zeroed. Nor am I denying that I fell, myself. I only said that if your clan really didn't care, you'd all let yourselves be zeroed without a fight.

Really, that was a rather pathetic attempt at a retort. But, alas, I don't expect any of my words to sink in. So I'll say this, and ignore your idiotic ramblings from here on out - See you on the battlefield in two weeks.

[Jada]

Ahem. *NEWSFLASH* Splinters come a little cheaper these eves... pssst.... try about, ohhhh... 300K? or so? really. pocket change, dear.

[Tifereth]

Oct 3, 2009 19:16:51 GMT -8 Liander said:

You're missing the points, and ignoring what has been said.

I never said hiring Splinters was bad or dishonorable. Simply that it contradicts your statement of "we don't care." Stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm not insulting you for being zeroed. Nor am I denying that I fell, myself. I only said that if your clan really didn't care, you'd all let yourselves be zeroed without a fight.

Really, that was a rather pathetic attempt at a retort. But, alas, I don't expect any of my words to sink in. So I'll say this, and ignore your idiotic ramblings from here on out - See you on the battlefield in two weeks.

The fact that we don't care doesn't make us cowards.

Also, I don't believe the fight will last two weeks. But, alas! Have fun in your "first true war".

Again...

I am Jack's sense of amusement.

[lottalead]

interesting stuff here i like it

[Airey]

Oct 3, 2009 19:17:57 GMT -8 Jada said:

Ahem. *NEWSFLASH* Splinters come a little cheaper these eves... pssst.... try about, ohhhh... 300K? or so? really. pocket change, dear.

...300k is pocket change?

[Henry Key]

Who're these Invictus dudes, anyway?

[Surenitee]

Oct 3, 2009 19:14:03 GMT -8 Tifereth said:

Oct 3, 2009 19:00:32 GMT -8 Surenitee said:

The issue between your clan and the Dumont family has been breathing and very much alive for some time. It bleeds back into the streets from the Scion/D'dary war between King Lestat and Ace. It bleeds back from the fight Daly/Abel Novek fought with the D'darys, and the constant debating between both sides.

You have all been disrespectful twards eachother, and it is a proven fact that your clan has been looking to zero/get zeroed the head of the Dumont line, thus, this war has started. Your innocent acting in this is hard for myself, and anyone who holds half a brain to believe.

There is no such thing as an innocent bystandard in war. There is, however, mindless strategies, that never seem to work.

That would be all nice and good if only Ace had participated in the Scions vs. D'dary war more than a week because of the fact that he had been spying for---oh, let's see---LESTAT!
Again, your point is null, void, and your knowledge in history is flawed.

Ahem.

Now, I don't see how I've been disrespectful--at all. If anything, all the shit being spewed seems to have come from your side, not ours. You wanna see disrespectful? Take a look in the mirror dear. Take a look at your own responses in the other threads regarding these matters, in the Obituaries, and then again in here--from both you and your allies.

Again, my respects for most Dumonts. For you, kid... well... I have a very "Liander" quote for you.

"A modest little person, with much to be modest about."

Ta.

My point exactly right here. And I am not speaking on this occasion about the disrespectful remarks. That, is one of the reasons, bad blood was caused within the two parties.

There has been an issue between both of these parties. I mean, for the sake of facts, one of the rules within your clan was to ignore one of the members of this family, yet the leaders did the worst job of doing such things. Because they were obviously too busy not caring about this family, but too focused on singling us out, and not an entire family.

Your issue with one of us. That led to two of us, that led to three of us, caused an entire family to react because they were done. Whether or not you respect me, is the last thing on my mind, right next to wondering if dogs can actually understand what we say. I have yet to disrespect any of your clan, and I hold no reason to disrespect any of your clan. But your remarks and your slanderous comments, I will correct. The facts, Ms. Tifereth, can not lie.

The only thing you're doing, is proving me right at every response you give me.

[Toki]

Oct 3, 2009 20:11:22 GMT -8 Henry Key said:

Who're these Invictus dudes, anyway?

The fact you have to ask and Liander is their leader SHOULD be answer enough.

[Henry Key]

Oct 3, 2009 20:16:10 GMT -8 Toki said:

The fact you have to ask and Liander is their leader SHOULD be answer enough.

According to Damari I "have the depth of a petri dish" so you overestimate me or summat.