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Post by Ember Wilde on Oct 15, 2009 12:09:18 GMT -8
Everyone has their own style. I can see the apeal in Beats banners. They're more artistic then just say putting your face on a banner. The Yang and the Ying are a creative way of showing a bond. I have yet to see much creativity coming from anyone else beyond the norm. His asking price is his own. You pay for the creative mind and the work. So if you want your normal cheep or free banners then find someone else to do it for you. Sorry, but I'm gonna have to make a call on this. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't Coquette and Janus have matching puzzle piece banners awhile back that showed their bond? Pulse and Josephine aren't the only ones who have made pair banners before, and I'm certain they won't be the last.
I'm also certain that there are plenty of other banner makers making banners that are, as you say, beyond the norm; just look at the ones that Xaxxa has been making for people. They're actually a big hit.
Not knocking the idea of a business, or wait, maybe I am. The simple fact is that there are people who creatively design banners for others for free, as both Uriah and Kaelani have stated. So why pay? I know I wouldn't. In my opinion, many of the banners that come from the banner makers around here are not "cheap" as you say, but an artistic representation by the creator themselves. And damn good ones, at that.edited to clarify
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Post by Do Not PM this Account. on Oct 15, 2009 12:19:06 GMT -8
Yep. To be honest, I've made more in simply agreeing to optional donations than I think I honestly could have in asking for a set price. I've found that while maybe not everyone can afford a banner, that shouldn't exempt them from having something beautiful. Especially if they're students, questing fledgelings.. the list goes on and on. I wouldn't demand money from someone whose coin would better go toward making the effort to better themself. BUT in accepting donations when and where they're offered, I feel both appreciated for the work I put into the banner and it honestly gives me reason to strive to make better banners over time. Not because I expect to be paid more for a "better" banner, but being appreciated definitely provides the incentive for improvement. As for medium, not everyone paints. Mine are computer generated, born and bred. So to speak. I'm crap with a paintbrush. Though.. hm. A fingerpainted banner. I think I could try that. I think the endeavor is a good one, and Josephine's banners are beautiful. Their style reminds me of a little bit of everyone's.. a bit of Idony's in their mysterious lustre, a bit of [insert whoever started the transparent banner trend because I can't remember]'s in their cutouts, and a lot of Josie's spirit and beauty in each and every one. They are worth the coin. But I also know that not everyone who deserves such a gem can afford to spend the cost of a partner severance on a banner, etc. Then again, maybe we'll see less severances because of it. Either way. Much luck, Jo.
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Post by Liander on Oct 16, 2009 20:33:48 GMT -8
Kudos to you guys for trying to make a business out of something you love. Your prices are pretty reasonable compared to others who want payment, and I've always loved your banners, Pulse. My favorite of yours was the animated heart rate monitor.
But, just a quick question... What happens if one of your customers isn't satisfied with your work? Do you refund their coin, or keep trying until they like it?
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Post by Pulse St. John on Oct 16, 2009 20:42:42 GMT -8
We'll deal with that on a case by case basis.
Some people you just can't make happy.
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Post by Liander on Oct 17, 2009 0:56:28 GMT -8
Another question. Sorry if I'm annoying you.
Would it be possible to make, and if so, how much would it cost to do so, a set of matching banners for a family/bloodline/clan/group of people equaling 3 or more?
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Post by Pulse St. John on Oct 17, 2009 8:24:12 GMT -8
I don't see why not.
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Post by Delphine on Oct 17, 2009 11:14:32 GMT -8
Another question. Sorry if I'm annoying you. Would it be possible to make, and if so, how much would it cost to do so, a set of matching banners for a family/bloodline/clan/group of people equaling 3 or more? I did that for RoR when we went to war last year.. t'was fun *grin* about 10 of us had a blood-dance banner, so that is a great theme to work with.
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Post by seyda on Oct 18, 2009 5:03:58 GMT -8
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to make a call on this. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't Coquette and Janus have matching puzzle piece banners awhile back that showed their bond? Pulse and Josephine aren't the only ones who have made pair banners before, and I'm certain they won't be the last. edited to clarify Yeah, except they weren't the first, either. First ever couple signature belongs to yours truly and the hot Greek. If my childer wish to take a tradition that started in our family and try to make a few bucks off it, more power to them. The rest of you bitching are only serving to make yourselves appear worried that you're losing business, or pissy because you can't afford what they're offering. Tut tut.
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Post by Ember Wilde on Oct 18, 2009 15:52:25 GMT -8
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to make a call on this. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but didn't Coquette and Janus have matching puzzle piece banners awhile back that showed their bond? Pulse and Josephine aren't the only ones who have made pair banners before, and I'm certain they won't be the last. edited to clarify Yeah, except they weren't the first, either. First ever couple signature belongs to yours truly and the hot Greek. If my childer wish to take a tradition that started in our family and try to make a few bucks off it, more power to them. The rest of you bitching are only serving to make yourselves appear worried that you're losing business, or pissy because you can't afford what they're offering. Tut tut. Oh no! Another pissing match in the paper!*snorts and flails her hands behind the screen while rolling her eyes* Honestly, who here was bitching about losing business? Or better yet, how is it making us, as banner makers, worried that we're going to lose business when we're putting out several banners a week -and- have people coming back to ask for more? Once again, I'd love to point out Xaxxa's art, which seems to be quite a big hit with many of the members here; and, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they being done for free?
As far as I'm concerned, I see banner makers who actually do work for free putting out more works than those who force people to pay for them. Or, as Coquette has said, some patrons will pay gracious donations for a lovely piece of work by the more talented banner makers.
No one is being pissy that they can't afford it, we're merely not willing to pay that ridiculous of an amount for works that we can:
a) create ourselves -or- b) get from equally talented banner makers free of charge
Greed simply doesn't get anyone anywhere, I'm afraid.
As for the whole couple signatures thing, I'd love to see where you can show me proof of yours being the first pair banners in existence. After all, isn't this city run on being able to prove a statement as truth? I'd surely have to say so, since that's the basis for most wars or other equally important events taking place. If you can prove to me, with a snapshot, and not merely by word of mouth (because we know everyone has lied at some point or another) then I'll bow out gracefully. Until then, well...
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Post by Kaelani on Oct 18, 2009 16:07:27 GMT -8
I don't really think it matters who made which couple banner first. Her point is, there are people who do banners equally as beautiful, or moreso, than Josephine and Pulse. And they do it for free. I agree with Ember, but all the same, goodluck with your business. If you start losing business, think about lowering your price some. I think it's just a bit outrageous.
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Post by Piper on Oct 18, 2009 16:12:21 GMT -8
Though.. hm. A fingerpainted banner. I think I could try that. That sounds lovely.
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Post by Ananel on Oct 20, 2009 9:44:00 GMT -8
I wish you luck...there's a good standing chance that you will find more buisness than I.
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Post by Delphine on Oct 20, 2009 10:45:55 GMT -8
Yeah, except they weren't the first, either. First ever couple signature belongs to yours truly and the hot Greek. If my childer wish to take a tradition that started in our family and try to make a few bucks off it, more power to them. The rest of you bitching are only serving to make yourselves appear worried that you're losing business, or pissy because you can't afford what they're offering. Tut tut. As for the whole couple signatures thing, I'd love to see where you can show me proof of yours being the first pair banners in existence. After all, isn't this city run on being able to prove a statement as truth? I'd surely have to say so, since that's the basis for most wars or other equally important events taking place. If you can prove to me, with a snapshot, and not merely by word of mouth (because we know everyone has lied at some point or another) then I'll bow out gracefully. Until then, well... [/color][/quote] I made those myself, for Asmia and Seyda, I shall post them for you later, gladly.. ((once I'm on my home computer)) edited to add: Ember, it seems to me you are the tossing accusations to bait and create conflict here.. what would be the purpose of that, accusing everyone of "telling lies at some point or another"... hmm??
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Post by Delphine on Oct 20, 2009 11:28:15 GMT -8
and the more I think about it, Ember, your comment is really ill conceived. again, in reference to this: (because we know everyone has lied at some point or another)
you really shouldn't generalize, if this is your own personal practice, that's your issue and please do not transpose it onto the general population as popular practice, even less as a malicious implication toward Seyda. You clearly do not know my sire. at all....
Thanks.
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Post by Ember Wilde on Oct 20, 2009 11:34:41 GMT -8
I made those myself, for Asmia and Seyda, I shall post them for you later, gladly.. ((once I'm on my home computer)) edited to add: Ember, it seems to me you are the tossing accusations to bait and create conflict here.. what would be the purpose of that, accusing everyone of "telling lies at some point or another"... hmm?? I asked for proof that the pair banners in question were the first in existence. I don't mean merely on this site, but anywhere within the city. Until I have that proof (which, merely posting up a set of pair banners -or- saying by word of mouth that they were the first will not satisfy) then I won't believe it.
As for accusations and baiting, there were none being made towards anyone in specific. We were all human once, and as such, have a nature to have lied in the past. Be it a little white lie or a completely destructive lie, it's merely something that is, or was, a part of us at one point. For some people, the lies and deceit are still a part of their lives even now.
All I am saying is that I hold little faith in something unless it can be proven true. For all we know, Lord Ravenblack and Lady Devil Miyu could have produced a pair of matching banners before any of us ever came to the city, which would refute the claim being made here.
As for this whole Ember matter, please try not to mix us up. My name is Neu and I am definitely more outspoken than my quieter half is.
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