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Post by jim on Dec 2, 2009 14:37:44 GMT -8
I don't think either one of their damn symbolism should be accepted. I think it should actually matter that it offends people. You've offended me with your bad grammar and clear lack of intelligence. Ad hominem ftw. But seriously, you're on a slippery slope when you claim to be a bastillion of free speech, except hate speech (or symbols). If we're forced to remove our avatars because they're "offensive", I'll reverse myself and become the morality police, pointing out everything that could be considered offensive in a whiney, Damiana Jones manner. I'm not spinning anything. It is racist. Well sure, cause God does hate fags. I didn't open the door. I'm exploiting it.
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Post by Kunna Drakonis on Dec 2, 2009 14:39:26 GMT -8
Ok..so then make your point about Meph a different way? Instead of making yourself look like the jackass...this could have been done a completely positive way. So you agree Meph's avatar is offensive. Then let's go back to that. You asked for, one instance where the exact swastika used by Nazi Germany (currently used by Meph as his avatar) was used by any other culture anywhere to denote something other than the current misconception of its meaning. Nazi Germans followed Hitler's ideals. US Nazi's follow an ideal that in my opinion seems warped from the original. Considering Germany and the US are two different cultures...and are presently two different times to which these ideals are taking place, I believe that should be example enough. Hitler's ideals were for a perfect Aryan race. Blonde hair, blue eyes. Nazi ideals today seem to be simply against anything not God Fearing or Conservative. As for other cultures using the images... Also: In my understanding...if Meph is using the image based on the Third Reich....he is causing racist issues. If he's doing this OOCly to simply cause a reaction, he's crossing the boundaries of RP and should remove the images at once. But if he's going to RolePlay this with the subtlety and acceptability in the boundaries of decent writing, then the only thing to take an issue with is the OOC depictions he has on the forums. IMO. Edit: For words worded weirdly.
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Post by jim on Dec 2, 2009 14:49:11 GMT -8
Ok..so then make your point about Meph a different way? Why? I'm clearly encouraging thoughtful (used loosely) debate on the issue. That's not a bad thing. No. No.
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Post by Kunna Drakonis on Dec 2, 2009 14:53:09 GMT -8
Well then put your point into words so that this thoughtful debate can continue. Because those are my points, take em or leave em.
OOCly, you're being offensive with the images. Meph is being offensive with the images.
ICly, Kunna just doesn't know nor care...hell...she's a bit D&B atm. *shrug* If you're going to RP it all out, just do it right.
If this is a debate...I'd like to see your side of this. Please.
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Post by ladypeacek on Dec 2, 2009 14:56:19 GMT -8
His point in words would have accomplished exactly what the previous 4 pages before him accomplished. Nothing.
This created enough attention to really stir up the hornets nest. >.>
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Post by Kunna Drakonis on Dec 2, 2009 14:57:32 GMT -8
I wasn't asking you, P.
I asked him.
And this is an adult debate. If he's going to shoot down my thoughts, I'd like the chance to contemplate over and perhaps accept or deny his.
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Post by jim on Dec 2, 2009 15:02:37 GMT -8
I wasn't asking you, P. I asked him. And this is an adult debate. If he's going to shoot down my thoughts, I'd like the chance to contemplate over and perhaps accept or deny his. Did you read any of my previous posts in this thread?
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Post by Kunna Drakonis on Dec 2, 2009 15:04:17 GMT -8
I tried, couldn't get past the shit slinging and unintelligent bitching at others.
Try again?
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Post by ladypeacek on Dec 2, 2009 15:05:15 GMT -8
I wasn't asking you, P. I asked him. And this is an adult debate. If he's going to shoot down my thoughts, I'd like the chance to contemplate over and perhaps accept or deny his. Well, considering the owner of this here establishment believes he AND I are both accountable for anything said or done by him, since we are close OOC, I feel I have every right to speak on his behalf and him mine- because they are going to be taken as one united voice. She made that perfectly clear. You told him he should have voiced it differently than he did, and I told you why he chose this particular path. I am sure he is getting a response for you on the other stuff all worked out, don't worry! I would like to ask one thing though about Hitler's blue & blonde ideal- didn't the man have black hair? That in itself sorta shoots that theory outta the water, huh?
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Post by jim on Dec 2, 2009 15:06:19 GMT -8
I tried, couldn't get past the shit slinging and unintelligent bitching at others. Try again? Nah, it all goes over your head anyway.
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Post by Kunna Drakonis on Dec 2, 2009 15:08:15 GMT -8
He was actually a Jewish artist who's art wasn't accepted...or something. He had a temper tantrum and started running for government. He went to prison in 1942 but got out and only got stronger by 1943.
Anywhore...Do I look like the owner of this establishment? I don't think so. So when -I- talk...don't go assuming my opinion is the same as everyone else's.
K?
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Post by Kunna Drakonis on Dec 2, 2009 15:09:51 GMT -8
I tried, couldn't get past the shit slinging and unintelligent bitching at others. Try again? Nah, it all goes over your head anyway. Try me. Or can't you gather the words to string along the sentence which shows to me you even have a decent point?
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Post by jim on Dec 2, 2009 15:14:29 GMT -8
He was actually a Jewish artist who's art wasn't accepted...or something.
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Post by Kunna Drakonis on Dec 2, 2009 15:16:29 GMT -8
And the fact you can't come up with a 'decent' and 'legitimate' point to this debate just proves you had none to begin with and you were simply trying to cause problems. In that case, you should be reported and banned indefinitely. Meph should have his images removed and warned. IMO.
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Post by jim on Dec 2, 2009 15:21:43 GMT -8
And the fact you can't come up with a 'decent' and 'legitimate' point to this debate just proves you had none to begin with and you were simply trying to cause problems. In that case, you should be reported and banned indefinitely. Meph should have his images removed and warned. IMO. "He was actually a Jewish artist who's art wasn't accepted...or something." You didn't even take the time to look fact check on Wikipedia. But I'm supposed to take anything you have to say seriously? No.
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