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Post by moodlady on Oct 19, 2008 6:27:52 GMT -8
Fiesty.
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Post by Errah Dragolescu on Oct 19, 2008 7:03:28 GMT -8
I Agree Moodlady Well.... I was gonna say well put Lestat...That I was pleasantly surprised...
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Post by Phoenixxe on Oct 19, 2008 10:33:57 GMT -8
I'm going to disagree with you that everyone changes Sires. I have had the same sire since the beginning of my existence. For me no matter what it will not change.
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Gypsychild
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Post by Gypsychild on Oct 19, 2008 14:34:39 GMT -8
Yes, I'm with Phoenixxe on that. I came to this city without a sire, but obsidian has been my one and only sire for over 4 years now.
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Post by Lestat de Lioncourt on Oct 19, 2008 18:56:11 GMT -8
I actually have to spell it out for you? Wow. Braincells move in the most mysterious ways. *waves his hand right over Daly's head* WOOO! Went right over your head there, didn't it? I guess this really is a classic pot calling the kettle black scenario, h-uh?
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Post by daly on Oct 20, 2008 17:36:10 GMT -8
I actually have to spell it out for you? Wow. Braincells move in the most mysterious ways. *waves his hand right over Daly's head* WOOO! Went right over your head there, didn't it? I guess this really is a classic pot calling the kettle black scenario, h-uh? -That-, or I just get even more joy by insulting you. Shit happens in crazy ways, don't it?
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Gallagher
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Post by Gallagher on Oct 21, 2008 9:17:36 GMT -8
I actually have to spell it out for you? Wow. Braincells move in the most mysterious ways. ::refrains from breaking out into "(She Moves In) Mysterious Ways"--but only just::
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Post by Phoenixxe on Oct 21, 2008 11:57:21 GMT -8
Hey Gypsy notice our comments got ignored. You think it's cause we're old?
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Post by Katastrophe St. John-Talon on Oct 21, 2008 13:37:13 GMT -8
Not everyone ignored them.
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Lyric
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Post by Lyric on Oct 21, 2008 14:09:46 GMT -8
I don't believe it was so much a matter of ignoring the additions, as it was more, many people can not relate to your experiences. So many have changed sires that, the idea of maintaining their first and original sire seems foreign. It is, in my mind anyway, the proverbial, apples to oranges. How can one really compare the two?
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Post by Lestat de Lioncourt on Oct 21, 2008 22:18:40 GMT -8
Hey Gypsy notice our comments got ignored. You think it's cause we're old? I do apologise if it seemed as if I ignored your comments, not my intention. I would like to point out, however, that one can change lineages without changing sires. A lineage extends past the sire that you keep. My childe EmpressLizard, for instance, underwent each lineage change I did...but she is still my childe. The only thing that changed were those ahead of me on the lineage tree.
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Post by Phoenixxe on Oct 22, 2008 4:23:21 GMT -8
My point and Gypsy is this, We found sires and a line that fit us and that we fit with. For myself, I came into this city with CHASS already my sire. For Gypsy her and obsidian formed a bond.
Apples to oranges you say, fine, but you forget there are those of us who do not follow the belief that line changing so frequently is the right course. Yet many expect us to understand it, yet none few take the time to think what it takes to be as completely loyal as those of us who have stayed in the same family their entire time in the city. And have been more than happy there.
Ask yourselves this, why can some stay family for years, centuries and mesh so well, yet so many hop from one line to another? Maybe then, some will understand those like Gypsy and myself.
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Lyric
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Post by Lyric on Oct 22, 2008 5:09:33 GMT -8
If I came across as rude I apologise, that was not at all my intention. Instead, I only meant to express how not everyone has the strength of character to weather all storms as you, Gypsy and so many others, who have maintained a single bloodline, in this city have. I fully admit, and agree that it takes a strong will and very deep devotion to be willing and able to dedicate themselves to a single sire. I myself haven't had the ability to do as such and find it amazing and wonderful that those of you capable of maintaining that level of dedication have done just that.
Of course, on the opposite end of the spectrum, that doesn't say that vampires who have had multiple sires are any less right. Myself, I am a firm believer in every individual doing what will be right or best for themselves and those closest to them. (Should they have anyone.) If holding stead fast to a single sire, partner, childe(r), etc is what is best for them, then wonderful for them. All the more happiness to them. If, however for some reason, an individual is incapable of finding happiness or what suits them and theirs best where they are, then by all means they should seek it out.
I understand, that these thoughts come across as inherenitly human and on the idealistic side of things, but I stand firm in the belief that no one vampire has the right to out judge another. (If you or those close to you are wronged by an individual, then yes, that is an exemption.) If happiness is found for one person one way, that doesn't make it wrong because it doesn't work for another person and vice versa.
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Post by Katastrophe St. John-Talon on Oct 22, 2008 9:38:27 GMT -8
Lyric has made some excellent points.
Sometimes it also simply isn't a matter of weathering a storm. Bonds are formed, and though good intentions are laid to maintain those bonds, sometimes people change and the strength of those bonds wane. This does not mean that fingers should be pointed to find fault in the separation (as is often the case), but there is the hope that both parties gained something from the experience and grew as individuals.
For my part, I may not think very highly of Lestat these days, but he did help get me started here in the city and gave me a home and taught me about the families and friendships that exist among vampires. I'm one of those individuals that when you ask: "If you could do it over again, would you?" I'd always say no. Every decision I've made has led up to me being who I am today, and like it or not, I won't change that.
And I think I'll stop there before I wax philosophical on not changing the past and whatnot.
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Post by Phoenixxe on Oct 22, 2008 11:56:33 GMT -8
I don't agree with jumping from line to line with the frequency that one has to ask "Which family are you in this week?" (The general you).
However, this city allows us all the pleasure of choosing our family, our line, and frankly where in that line we'd like to be. So go for it. I think most people can understand the wanting of some place, some group that fits so completely there is no doubt that that is where one belongs.
I was lucky enough to already have that, so I wish the best for those looking for it.
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