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Post by Louvain on Apr 30, 2009 0:40:19 GMT -8
Is simply being able to outspend your opponent a victory? What if that opponent has won every single battle until the final battle when they have ran dry? Will you still win on the merit of your pocketbook alone? Will it tarnish your victory?
In the midst of the first war I find myself a leader in, I cannot help but wonder what decides the win. I know a lot of it lies with the way the public sees the war, and perhaps that is ultimately the final decider?
I ask you.
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Post by black_dragonet on Apr 30, 2009 0:54:51 GMT -8
What wins a war? I'd say when all opponents are either zeroed or cowering in shadows.
Some wars last longer than others. Hell, we won one of the longest and most boring war with what used to be called clan Sypheronias. To my eyen the deciding factor isn't really money, rather dedication and leadership.
If your fighters are fighting with all they have, they'll be able to defeat more numerous, more powerful groups. If your leaders are capable and able to maximise hit efficiency, and targets choice, then you'll be able to defeat more numerous, more powerful groups. Have both together, and they just do it.
Money's important, but it's not the deciding factor. When not getting involved in unnecessary fights, one does not deplete their bank accounts, hence are ready for the fight whenever it comes. It's hard for some to do just that, but if you do, you won't be bothered with the coins issue. a dedicated vampire gets aroundish 1K coins a day. That's almost 400K a year. That's enough for a war, I'd say.
Dedication, leadership...
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Post by Lestat de Lioncourt on Apr 30, 2009 1:03:18 GMT -8
Dedication, leadership... ...underpants. Oh, sorry. I thought you wanted a third thing for your list. A lot of times it is coin that decides who's left standing, but personally, to me the winner of a war is the one that does more damage, over all. If a clan of high blooded pires go after a clan of students, guess who wins just on principal alone? Same is said when it's closer, but the one side is necroing much more, and taking much more, than the other is. Also, live fighting plays an important role. Knowing how, and knowing if you truly can.
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Post by Idony on Apr 30, 2009 2:22:55 GMT -8
Yeah, I'm agreeing more with Lestat. I'd say it's death that wins a war. Wins it for the other guy...
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Post by Moirai on Apr 30, 2009 7:02:23 GMT -8
LULZ Win.
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Post by Tifereth on Apr 30, 2009 8:45:22 GMT -8
Stop stealing the D'dary gimmick, you bastard. Anyway, on to the topic at hand... I have to agree with both black dragonet and Lestat. If you make more damage, they're constantly necroing, and last but not least, they cower in shadows (body count aside, that is), is when you win the war.
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Post by Idony on Apr 30, 2009 8:47:20 GMT -8
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Post by nitenurse on Apr 30, 2009 13:31:13 GMT -8
Call me old fashioned if you like but a war is not over until it's over and the shooting has stopped. There are then two options. You fight until the last drop of blood is spent on one side or a settlement is reached. If one side is obviously whopping ass and asking for it to be over, the other side can claim victory but if both are equally spent, energy, money, weapons and could go on, but choose not to... that is not a victory for either side.
How prepared either side is financially, how easily one can restock/ necro, or how well one does in live combat may be bragging points but that does not a victor make. The winner is the last clan standing.
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Post by seyda on Apr 30, 2009 13:32:46 GMT -8
Bodies. Bodies. Bodies.
Of course, you're not factoring in the times when you can win even when you lose (ex. not backing down and fighting to the end knowing you're going down, even when you realize that your allies have basically fucked you over) and when you can lose even when you win (ex. being overly arrogant and mowing through a group and then acting like a tool about it). *shrug*
So I guess I should amend to say bodies + public perception = win.
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Post by Archontohs on Apr 30, 2009 13:36:08 GMT -8
I am more inclined to go with those that fight with their all. There are times when one will lose, that is a given. For no one is invincible... But the might of a clan can make them truely strong, even when handed a loss.
Take a relatively small sized clan against a giant sized clan. Given the numbers, it would be easy to see who would win. But as others witness the smaller clan fight, they are able to see the fight within them. Aye, they did not win the war, but they showed off what power they had as a clan. In the long run that would make other clans wish to be their allie or not want to go to war with them because of fear. To me, that is the victory.
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Post by PoisonIvy on Apr 30, 2009 13:40:48 GMT -8
War is.. You win by... *thinks*
Well in my own opinion war is won by the person [not clan] who goes the whole war without dying and without necroing. Good luck with that one....
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Post by Lestat de Lioncourt on Apr 30, 2009 14:35:18 GMT -8
Without necroing? o.O
Then I shall declare Elektra, Ravyne and EmpressLizard the only three viable options to win this one. GG everybody, GG.
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Post by augustnite on Apr 30, 2009 15:33:22 GMT -8
What wins a war? I'd say when all opponents are either zeroed or cowering in shadows. Some wars last longer than others. Hell, we won one of the longest and most boring war with what used to be called clan Sypheronias.To my eyen the deciding factor isn't really money, rather dedication and leadership. If your fighters are fighting with all they have, they'll be able to defeat more numerous, more powerful groups. If your leaders are capable and able to maximise hit efficiency, and targets choice, then you'll be able to defeat more numerous, more powerful groups. Have both together, and they just do it. Money's important, but it's not the deciding factor. When not getting involved in unnecessary fights, one does not deplete their bank accounts, hence are ready for the fight whenever it comes. It's hard for some to do just that, but if you do, you won't be bothered with the coins issue. a dedicated vampire gets aroundish 1K coins a day. That's almost 400K a year. That's enough for a war, I'd say. Dedication, leadership... It is still called Sypheronias. Otherwise I agree with you.
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Post by ladypeacek on Apr 30, 2009 16:02:58 GMT -8
Without necroing? o.O Then I shall declare Elektra, Ravyne and EmpressLizard the only three viable options to win this one. GG everybody, GG. From your side. I have a nice big fat handful that havent had to touch a necro shop yet, and been fighting throughout The other side, tends to only hit a select group of us...not all, even when out of shadows. *shrugs*
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Post by occamrazor on Apr 30, 2009 18:29:01 GMT -8
This being my first war since I came to the city, I have found myself pleasantly surprised by myself. Go Occam! At first I was concerned with the whole winning and losing thing, if for no other reason than I could say "my clan kicked your clans ass!" kind of deal. But, as the weeks have passed I find that my attitude has changed. In my eyes, I have already won this war. Not because I'm still standing, nor because I have more coins, nor because I am better than the opposing side. I am a victor because I have put all that I have into this fight, all that I have into The Ferrymen and all that I have into doing the best that I can night after night. And the cool part is this; I see that in all the other Ferrymen, as well. So, body counts, bank accounts, etc are just statistics. A war is one by the warriors that fight it honorably and bravely.
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