Siring new pire's.

[Master Dracula]

Aug 31, 2009 8:47:24 GMT -8 Henry Key said:

I have childer. No idea who they are, though. I just pick random humans and fuck up their lives permanently.

LOL! That's a win >.>

[Adeline]

I don't have any childer but when I came to the city I just wondered in. I gained most of my powers on my own before ever even meeting my sire. I stayed with her for a while but I left because the way her clan was and the way her family was was nothing like what I wanted. I chose my current sire because I had a special bond with him.

As for adoption or actually turning it doesn't matter. It's that bond you have that matters.

[Henry Key]

Aug 31, 2009 13:04:16 GMT -8 Idony said:

Aug 31, 2009 11:24:27 GMT -8 Henry Key said:

tl;dr version -- Idony needs a penis.

You offering?

Not sure. If a manwhore like Bambi wouldn't give you his...

Do ya have teeth in your vagina? Somethin' must be unsafe down there.

[Jackie O'Collin]

Aug 31, 2009 13:56:11 GMT -8 Adeline said:

I don't have any childer but when I came to the city I just wondered in. I gained most of my powers on my own before ever even meeting my sire. I stayed with her for a while but I left because the way her clan was and the way her family was was nothing like what I wanted. I chose my current sire because I had a special bond with him.

As for adoption or actually turning it doesn't matter. It's that bond you have that matters.

I did too. I started getting most of my powers far before I sired under Abel, I kind of guided my way by myself through my powers, but he's also taught me lots about the city, as well as the rest of my family.

[seyda]

Aug 31, 2009 7:31:03 GMT -8 Katastrophe St. John-Talon said:

I think it is up to each individual to find out what works for them in terms of how to sire and how they like to work with their childer. I look at Seyda and find myself amazed that she's able to keep up with all... *pauses to count* nine of us is it? I have learned that I don't think I could ever handle that many, but she makes it look easy.

Well, that's because all of you are relatively drama-less. When stuff blows up, I'm well rested and able to handle it.

Anyhoo, I realized a long time ago that it's not the job of the childer to make or break a relationship; it's the job of the sire. It's the sire's responsibility to make sure that they are providing whatever it is said childer needs and be able to grow with that childer as they grow and change your delivery. Otherwise, they all leave and find somewhere else to develop. I think all of the brats can attest that I treat them differently today then I did when I sired them.

With that said, between the day to day interactions with the childer, interacting with my wife, and my clan obligations, I simply don't have the patience to walk a childer through powers. I'm very tangential and would much prefer to talk about the logistics of blind scrolling and coin averages then how to get Celerity. I can do it, and I do it well, but it doesn't make my socks go up and down, so I don't take childer that I have to do that with.

And honestly, after having a conversation with a friend today about his non-powered childer frustrations, I'm sooooooo glad I don't fish in that pond.

[black_dragonet]

Ah... Childes...
I don't have much experience in that area, since I only have one, but one that is very dear to my heart.

To sire a childe is a commitment. One to help the childe grow to become all that he can potentially become.
Some need a fatherly relation, some need a momma, some need a friend, some something else. Each pair has to be comfortable with the needs of the other one, and take what the other has to offer.

More than the fully powered/not fully powered issue, I find that what matters is the bond that exists between the sire and the childe. If the childe lacks powers, then of course, the sire will have them work on their powers, but that's not the most important thing, that which will make the bond hold. That is the bond.

Then there is dedication, and availability. If the sire or childe isn't dedicated, or unavailable, then the bond will weaken, until it dissolves.

[Vera]

With all my childer to date, I went about siring in a very similar way. First, I was simply a 'teacher' of sorts, helping them with their powers without suggesting siring at all. Then, I waited for them to suggest I sire them, or I hinted at it without making them feel like they absolutely had to or I'd never speak to them again, etc. I think this is why Sin and Jenners are still with me, because it helped us build a really strong bond before siring took place. That's the important part though, having a strong bond, because that's what makes the relationship last, not the level of power the potential childe is at.

[Lord Galamushi Dawn]

My first few children were newer to the city and had spent their first few years or less in the ghetto's a place I might add I didn't recover them from.

I made sure powers, weapons, thralls and coins were a priority in their teaching. All who I have sired have left with those skills and all but one of the 6 who have left or were cast out had full powers. The one that didn't, left with 3 times more powers then she had gotten the previous few years.

If you have a desire to teach a childe how to get their powers then a newer pire is ok. I on the other hand fully powered myself before I took my first and only sire. She helped me get them before I was even her childe and when I was down to my last power I asked her to sire me. I of course got that power before I went to the halls.

Now that I have learned more about sirring pires I won't take another unfully powered pire again unless they show great potential for growth. I look for warriors, I no longer want to raise them.

I think a key in sirring would NOT to find your children in the ghetto's. That place breeds nothing but more laziness and more often then not they don't spend enough time in the city earning what they need to go to war.

Also, new pires come and go and then all the time you spend on them is wasted when they leave the city. So if they don't have all their powers but have been in the city for a long time then they are the type of pires your time won't be wasted on because at least you know they are going to still be around in the future.

If a pire without full powers has had a few sires, then they don't have enough loyalty and needs not another.

I have personally I have had my fill of playing "Daddy," It's just not my thing. I am a Sire not a glorified baby sitter. I teach tough love and how to kill, I don't have time for drama and debate.

If you want to play Momma or daddy then a noob is for you. If you want to be strong then accept nothing short of the finest pires.

[rel]

Such a strange phenomenon that occurred with the wondrous creation of that hellacious Hall of Severance. Siring in it's literal form is turning a human, thereby creating a vampire. Powerless. Babe in the big bad world of Ravenblack. You're not a parent, you're a creator, you made them and they are bound to you by blood.

All this mentor posturing is great and all, and completely relevant in the city we now live in, but I find this discussion so strange... new versus fully powered? I was sired, I was turned, I was powerless, I went to a school to have mentors - powerful, strong, brilliant mentors who trained me, not a sire - a group of vampires striving to make me the best I could be. My sire?

Well, it's an old story by now, me gods, but she when I see this I'm remembered of it. She wanted to fuck me. Simple. The end. And I wanted to be with her for eternity. I was duped *grins* BUT, she's my sire, and will be till I'm dust. She was NOT my mommy.

[rel]

Aug 31, 2009 15:42:14 GMT -8 Jackie O'Collin said:

Aug 31, 2009 13:56:11 GMT -8 Adeline said:

I don't have any childer but when I came to the city I just wondered in. I gained most of my powers on my own before ever even meeting my sire. I stayed with her for a while but I left because the way her clan was and the way her family was was nothing like what I wanted. I chose my current sire because I had a special bond with him.

As for adoption or actually turning it doesn't matter. It's that bond you have that matters.

I did too. I started getting most of my powers far before I sired under Abel, I kind of guided my way by myself through my powers, but he's also taught me lots about the city, as well as the rest of my family.

I do have a question, ifn ya don't mind... why sever if they've fallen? I always wonder that. If you had a bond and still care for them, why let them go if they return to the earth to sleep? It doesn't cost you anything, it's not like you have a finite amount of childer that you can sire, so what prompts you to walk into the Hall and let them go?

modified cause it came out as a quote *grins* silly me

[Bambi]

Aug 31, 2009 14:27:44 GMT -8 Henry Key said:

Aug 31, 2009 13:04:16 GMT -8 Idony said:

You offering?

Not sure. If a manwhore like Bambi wouldn't give you his...

Do ya have teeth in your vagina? Somethin' must be unsafe down there.

'Ow do yew know wot me and Idony got up to? Dude.. wos ya spying on us ya filthy pervert! Actually the thought of that turns me on a little.. >.>

As fer childer.. I ain't a bad sire.. I just 'ave rarely present childer who won't take a penny from me. Wot's a guy to do? I offer to 'elp wiv quests and shit but they won't 'ear of it. Kinda boring actually.. all this not being needed crap. I need someone to occupy me time wiv before I start inflicting meself on innocent newbie-doos.

[Lisastrata]

Vyper is the only Childe I've had stick around more than a few months. He was new to the city...I think I like siring those only because one gets to watch the little one grow and expand their knowledge of the city much the way we did when younger. It makes a sire proud.

[Vera]

The whole "Don't sire people from the ghettos" thing is complete and utter horseradish. People's aversion to the place comes from the fact it's full of lazy 'ghetto pires' who want to do nothing and sit around talking rubbish, yet they then go into papers and tell people not to offer help to those who are in there wanting to do something more yet not knowing how? It makes no sense, at all. Despite the general consensus, there are pires in there worth meeting, and there are pires in there who are just as lost as some of us were when we came to the city. The idea that they should be immediately shunned because they go to the most easily accessible public area to find out more about the rest of the city is ludicrous. It's people who think like that who make the ghettos what they are.

[Promethius]

Hard to say it better than Vera did, on the Ghettos note.

As to the rest of it - I have no childer, obviously. The few that seemed like pires I could bond with were quickly fought over and snatched up by the constant cloud of siring-harpies that dwell on this sort of thing.

[rel]

I still wanna know what the point was of severing in the first place...