Splinters vs. NightWatch

[Jada]

Nov 11, 2009 6:15:43 GMT -8 ophelia Lokason said:

Having first hand knowledge, Seyda's intentions were and are sincere, and no amount of spewing venom is going to change that, regardless of what you believe.

Well, we all know what they say about the road to hell...

Nov 11, 2009 7:19:23 GMT -8 Miranda Dawn said:

Well if the “others” that loved her wanted to protect her memory. They sure did a piss poor job of it. The display here and in the city was appalling. They should be embarrassed in the way they handled this.

If they truly felt smitsmit was wrong, then based on the delicacy of the situation it should have been handled in an adult fashion and behind closed doors.

...and what they say about hell freezing over. Miranda, that was very well said. *is stunned* I agree with what you wrote.

ophelia, I do not see how this is a negative comment when the whole situation is negative. I don't have much in the way of an opinion on Nightwatch one way or the other, but it seems to me (albeit late in the game) that if the only reason for attacking them was this tribute to Wyndi, its something that should have been handled differently and privately and after speaking with Tyger. He may be quiet, but he isn't unreachable. And, as its been said, so long as that tribute isn't being used in some sort of promotional bid, what is so wrong with educating other vampires out there about those beloved ones who fell too soon?

But then, I suppose, this isn't the first time someone's made a snap decision and run with it, without considering all sides.

[ophelia Lokason]

I suppose too, this isn't the first time someone's taken it upon themselves to jump into something that's already been deemed negative to take a pot shot at another while appearing to be on the 'higher road'.

So very little changes in this city *shrugs* And there really isn't much else to say on the topic. I believe Tyger has expressed his feelings quite succinctly, anyone else is just harping becuase they seen an opportunity to do so.

~HiS~

[Jair]

If one thought that it were so negative, and that a piss poor way to handle it, as you say, is to go about a public fiasco... Well, then, what are you doing carrying on with it? It is their business, and theirs alone.

I do believe the original topic was the Splinters and the NightWatch. Are they (the latter) dead yet?

( edited to add, and to fix the lines. *perfectionist* )

[Delphine]

Jair... Je t'aime!!
xox

[Jair]

Kego s'agapo, Del.

[Jada]

Hm. I don't recall where I mentioned I was on the "higher road." I'm expressing an opinion, as is my right and yours, and everyone else's. I see another situation where a group decided to take it upon themselves to start attacking someone, this time for doing his, albeit self-proclaimed, job, without stopping to consider all sides or speak with others. Oh, and speaking for others, too.

funny how people like to jump on the "this is off-topic" bandwagon when someone says something they do not like, though they themselves have helped knock the discussion off of its original course. And especially considering this entire discussion has been all over the place and not following one single thing, pretty much from the second page or so.

But oh, right. It's only a no-no when someone on the outside joins in, hmm? Would it help if I, too, tossed a vial at smitsmit?

Getting back ON topic (whatever that was!), then...

SO, how bout them Splinters? They ever hit back? Or is more of the City taking it upon themselves, for whatever their reasons, to do that job themselves?

[Spinner]

Jada, it has been posted and said many times that Splinters DO NOT hit back when they are attacked. They ONLY hit those they are paid to hit.

I shall once again contend that the thugs in this case are the members of NightWatch...they are the ones attacking a group of pires who admittedly does not hit back those that hit them. And it still seems that the only TRUE reason I have seen for NightWatch to be so involved now as apposed to, gee how long have the Splinters been around, earlier is that Solanea and Tejas were recently zeroed by them.

[Spinner]

HAHAHA - Fucking semantics...I was just told that Solanea wasn't zeroed by Sod, only attacked by them with 15 HW.

Does not change the facts of the situation though. Gee, the "grandmother of NW" and the main succour point of NW were zeroed and attacked by SoD...therefore, how evil of SoD to go and start attacking others, meanwhile it's their job...so let's just start our thuggish form of city justice and keep them at zero even though we know they won't fight back.

Again, someone tell me who the thugs are here?

[black_dragonet]

Nov 9, 2009 18:46:53 GMT -8 Liander said:

First, allow me to clarify.

My sire, myself, and Occam attacking smitsmit was by no means a thing where we all got together and said, "Let's attack this douchebag."

Each of us had our own reasons for doing so. I can not speak for the others, but my reasoning is simple enough - NightWatch is trying to impose laws when they have no right to do so. One man rules us, and his name is Ravenblack. Only he has the power to impose any laws.

NightWatch not only has no purpose, but no right to try to police anyone.

By assuming they have this right, they've painted a target on themselves, which I'm more than willing to shoot at.

My sire has said it best: "To come in and try to call yourself the law, you better be packing enough heat to take out any clan that opposes you."

But, we all know they don't. They haven't retaliated against any attacks made yet... Want to know why? They wasted all their resources on Splinters, which means these mother fuckers are ripe for the zeroing.

I will not stand by and watch as a group of nobodies, backed by Tejas, tries to police our young and clanless. They don't need NW's help. If they want help or advice, there are hundreds of clans and bloodlines, or hell, even random vampires willing to be mentors, for them to go to.

The only law that NW has ever tried to impose was the there should be no attack in the graveyard.
Is that wrong?

They seem to think that another rule that should be imposed, and it is that vigils should not be desecrated. Since Wyndcryer has been brought in, I seem to remember that someone had a very courageous behaviour there, farting and turning people away from the vigil. Of course that behaviour was admirable, and should have been rewarded, was it not?
A group of people dared feel offended and dared impose their law, which is that said fucker should be kept away. For this they should have been attacked too, for daring “to impose laws when they have no right to do so”?
Was the St John family attacked for that? No. I and others thanked them for keeping Blutengel out of the vigil. Blutengel, bound to LadyPeacek, Sire to Liander… How surprising… how interesting, how enlightening with regard to some people deep and real motivations to attack NW people.

NW decided to retaliate against people from SoD who had attacked some of theirs. Of course, no group retaliates when someone from them is attacked by others! What a stupid idea!
So they decided they would try to keep said group of attackers at zero, and that is of course “to impose laws when they have no right to do so”?
They did something, because they felt it right. They did not attack you, nor threaten you, nor force or forbid you to do anything. You did attack them, with a cause that is as empty as your skull. You are the ones trying to decide who should be given the right to exist, or not.

Of course, wise people know that retaliating against the splinters is useless, and I think they now got it.
You used this NW vs SoD only as a pretext and opportunity to advance your own agenda, and/or settle an old feud with them.

The memorial issue is to be settled between the St John family, TygerNight and the NightWatch. It does not belong to you, nor to me, nor to anyone else than the mentioned people.
The NW vs SoD will be over when NW gets it the city and themselves are not ready for this, which I think has already happened.
Your cause against NW is either empty, or not the one you give.

[Jada]

Nov 11, 2009 14:59:54 GMT -8 Spinner said:

Jada, it has been posted and said many times that Splinters DO NOT hit back when they are attacked. They ONLY hit those they are paid to hit.

Spinner, I am well aware of what the Splinters do, as well as their codex. I was being facetious since the "off-topic" finger was being pointed.

Thanks, though.

[Spinner]

Nov 11, 2009 17:35:40 GMT -8 Jada said:

Nov 11, 2009 14:59:54 GMT -8 Spinner said:

Jada, it has been posted and said many times that Splinters DO NOT hit back when they are attacked. They ONLY hit those they are paid to hit.

Spinner, I am well aware of what the Splinters do, as well as their codex. I was being facetious since the "off-topic" finger was being pointed.

Thanks, though.

Sorry...but under my many years of scars and wounds from this city, I tend to take a few things seriously, especially this topic because I was a Splinter twice over in my past.

[femme fatale]

Nov 11, 2009 15:20:33 GMT -8 Spinner said:

HAHAHA - Fucking semantics...I was just told that Solanea wasn't zeroed by Sod, only attacked by them with 15 HW.

looooooooooooool thats not true!

so i guess there are two city's now... tejas' and RB's..coz i think they (tejas') have their own world there ~snickers~

[TygerNight]

Nov 11, 2009 6:15:43 GMT -8 ophelia Lokason said:

Nov 10, 2009 19:59:54 GMT -8 TygerNight said:

And Seyda, you didn't have to take any action at all for my hatred of you to be sustained; I told you already. You've made utterly certain I'd never be able to do anything but loathe you, and I'm not swallowing your 'I did it for your own good, aren't I so amazingly empathetic' spin, so give it up.

Having first hand knowledge, Seyda's intentions were and are sincere, and no amount of spewing venom is going to change that, regardless of what you believe. Had I thought for a second otherwise.....well, I don't need to finish that sentence really.

No one will ever love Wyndcryer quite the way you do, but there are others that love her and want to protect her memory.

And since you seem to be impossible to reach in other ways (yim specifically, at least for me) it's good to see you kicking around Tyger. I hope you are doing as well as you can.


~HiS~

You know I've always loved you, Gramma Opie, but we've never seen eye-to-eye concerning Seyda. You, like Wyndi and many others, seem to have bought into her self-hype and bullshit, and no one will ever dissuade you from that, nor convince you that she can be in the wrong. I, also like many others, see Seyda for what she is, and what you call 'spewing venom' is simply statement of fact where she's concerned. I'm sorry, but it's true. And, knowing how deeply in Seyda's camp you have always been, I'm not in the least surprised that you have thrown your weight behind hers. I love and respect you, but you're wrong about this, you just don't know it. You believe in Seyda, and it's blinded you. I'm firmly convinced by both my past with her and by her own statements here, that she has been nothing BUT selfish in her reaction to all this.


Miranda, Tifereth, thank you both. *gives a half-bow to each*

Now it's time to add another voice to the concept of zero'ing a Splinter... and it's sheer pointlessness. I went through my own time as a Splinter target (during which I learned vastly more about Seyda than I ever wanted to know >.<), and if I were in that situation again right now, I'd skip around them, let them know where I was, and just get it the hell over with. Once their contract is done, they go the hell away. Unlike many other severely irritating groups/pyres...

~Tyger

[Spinner]

Nov 14, 2009 6:17:32 GMT -8 TygerNight said:

Now it's time to add another voice to the concept of zero'ing a Splinter... and it's sheer pointlessness. I went through my own time as a Splinter target (during which I learned vastly more about Seyda than I ever wanted to know >.<), and if I were in that situation again right now, I'd skip around them, let them know where I was, and just get it the hell over with. Once their contract is done, they go the hell away. Unlike many other severely irritating groups/pyres...

~Tyger

Wow, something intelligent from Tyger! I think the city as we have known it has truly ended!

[TygerNight]

Nov 14, 2009 17:37:23 GMT -8 Spinner said:

Nov 14, 2009 6:17:32 GMT -8 TygerNight said:

Now it's time to add another voice to the concept of zero'ing a Splinter... and it's sheer pointlessness. I went through my own time as a Splinter target (during which I learned vastly more about Seyda than I ever wanted to know >.<), and if I were in that situation again right now, I'd skip around them, let them know where I was, and just get it the hell over with. Once their contract is done, they go the hell away. Unlike many other severely irritating groups/pyres...

~Tyger

Wow, something intelligent from Tyger! I think the city as we have known it has truly ended!

*smiles indulgently*

Wow, you're finally catching up, well done! Just to let you in on the biggest secret in the City, I usually do have very intelligent things to say. The problem is that I'm also usually too pissed off to do anything but swear, and pyres like you fail to look beyond the vulgarity to the intelligence behind it.