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Post by Louvain on Nov 19, 2009 11:46:47 GMT -8
((And you still don't have an IGN in your signature as per the rules, so unless you come up with one I may very well reveal what I've discovered in poking around..))
Women who knowingly sleep with married men are just as bad as the men who let them.
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Post by rel on Nov 19, 2009 11:59:36 GMT -8
I'm shocked...a vampire...a sadist? No way!
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Post by danicarayne on Nov 19, 2009 12:25:30 GMT -8
You think your Hurt by this Shadow?! It was Our famlies that were Hurt. You say you have no connection... Then butt out! its no concern to you. What happened Happened and if i am Man enough to Accept it and move on then that shows what kinda Pire you really are. I was Errah and Ravens Daughter.. The Eldest.. Their First.. She was my mother by Marriage.. i was there when they wed... But feelings change.. as do people. Please do us a favor and stop crying about it. Get over it.. Its Done and Over. Please. If i can YOU most Certainly Can
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Post by Errah Dragolescu on Nov 19, 2009 12:37:05 GMT -8
Personally I think it is quite low-brow to drag someone's transgressions into the public eye. I was Raven's wife for almost a year and a half. When I found out about her affair, I was willing to let it go. Wipe the slate clean and start over. Alas I could not love her well enough.
If you ask her, she will tell you that it was she who went to him. Still of course, he should have said no. But what has happened, has happened. And though I have walked away with only HALF of my family, I am stronger for it. It has recentered my focus on what I was losing track of--MY FAMILY.
Clearly some people can't or refuse to let things go... To them I say this: I promise you--it is much easier to do so. The healing is swift, when one does not hang onto the guilt and the hurt and the drama. What will be, will be. There is no use in trying to force a square peg into a round hole.
shadow I don't know who you are, and I don't care. But i don't appreciate you dragging my name and my family through this all over again. We have moved on.
Mona is not the first to cheat on a spouse. And she wont be the last. her lover, himself, has quite the track record. Perhaps they are well-suited in that regard.
Either way, it is no one's business but theirs, and what is left of their family's. Leave it be.
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Post by Louvain on Nov 19, 2009 13:41:32 GMT -8
Sounds like we all need to get an orgy going.
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Post by Louvain on Nov 19, 2009 13:42:53 GMT -8
You think your Hurt by this Shadow?! It was Our famlies that were Hurt. You say you have no connection... Then butt out! its no concern to you. What happened Happened and if i am Man enough to Accept it and move on then that shows what kinda Pire you really are. I was Errah and Ravens Daughter.. The Eldest.. Their First.. She was my mother by Marriage.. i was there when they wed... But feelings change.. as do people. Please do us a favor and stop crying about it. Get over it.. Its Done and Over. Please. If i can YOU most Certainly Can I Love using Random capitals in Sentences because it Makes my words that Much more Fun to read.
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Post by Louvain on Nov 19, 2009 13:45:04 GMT -8
You think your Hurt by this Shadow?! It was Our famlies that were Hurt. You say you have no connection... Then butt out! its no concern to you. What happened Happened and if i am Man enough to Accept it and move on then that shows what kinda Pire you really are. I was Errah and Ravens Daughter.. The Eldest.. Their First.. She was my mother by Marriage.. i was there when they wed... But feelings change.. as do people. Please do us a favor and stop crying about it. Get over it.. Its Done and Over. Please. If i can YOU most Certainly Can I Love using Random capitals in Sentences because it Makes my words that Much more Fun to read. Quoted for truth.
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 19, 2009 13:48:43 GMT -8
I don't think we have enough threads about this yet.
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Post by Delphine on Nov 19, 2009 14:48:15 GMT -8
I don't think we have enough threads about this yet. about Random Capital letters in Sentences? I Agree.
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Post by Airey on Nov 19, 2009 14:50:51 GMT -8
So many things I want to say. But I agree with Idony...that looks like a nifty thing to have. Might make a good murder weapon, but that's off topic. Anyways, nine times out of ten. Men cheat because they aren't happy with their spouse, the same stands for women. It's no one's fault but the one being cheated on, and I have absolutely no sympathy for that person, never have never will. If he/she doesn't bring their "A-Game" they can't be surprised when someone else comes and takes what is theirs. "What you won't do, someone else will." You'll either learn from it, grow the fuck up and do your spouse right, or fall apart and be bitter. And there's nothing wrong with wanting something more as far as i'm concerned. If it bounces around from family to family maybe the previous families aren't giving it what it's looking for, not that I would know, I love my sire to death. Now, i'm going to read back over this thread, cause it makes me giggle. A
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Post by Idony on Nov 19, 2009 15:10:38 GMT -8
If I may chime in on a more serious tone this time (because I'm such a feminist at heart), I have to say that it is tentatively believed to be "men's fault", though not really under their control. The Evolutionary take on the issue proposes that men are more likely to seek out other women given all the time they have on their hands, while women are more picky with their partners because, if alive and 'successful', they're going to be stuck with their load for nine months, so they are inherently inspired to have a more refined and selective taste. But this is obviously all theory, as most women seem to have no taste. Men are generally more true to their nature, in this case. All hail the humanity that clings to us.
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Post by rel on Nov 19, 2009 15:39:24 GMT -8
Which is why that while human over half of the women I went to college with were just bi-curious *snorts* Women get called sluts, that's why. Picky? Maybe. But, mostly it's because of our upbringing while human dictated that we should hide our sex because it's bad. Or this happens and the woman gets called out. Yeah, hahaha that old adage that men are just being 'true to their natures'. Seems so odd how historically, when the men were out fighting wars, getting gold in California, or generally just finding themselves absent, women have continually found comfort where they needed or desired it. They were 'true' to their one man because society dictated (and still does) that you were bound for life. Hell, half were sold to their 'husband' with a dowry of a cow and a hope chest. Fine. Under your god and all that. Perfect. There's still a part of what's ever left of my humanity that believes that.
So, then the men came home and poof...women who wouldn't fall back in line were burned at the stake for being witches, or not allowed to play baseball anymore, or called dykes, or whatever new and exciting thing was placed in our lap.
Yes, we're responsible for our actions even as vampires, but who the fuck cares? I'm responsible for being what I am...an immortal who can charm a human out of anything that I want. Who uses my seduction to steal, feed, or just because I'm bored. Who can sire whomever I choose to turn to form a familial bond or just cause I wanna fuck with a human cause I can. It's my choice.
Just like this is theirs.
For all that is unholy, this entire thread posted under the veil of a shadow figure is ridiculous...
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Post by Josephine on Nov 19, 2009 15:48:42 GMT -8
So many things I want to say. Men cheat because they aren't happy with their spouse, the same stands for women. It's no one's fault but the one being cheated on, and I have absolutely no sympathy for that person, never have never will.. A See here is where I have that issue. I was the one cheated on and had done everything I could to be a good wife and there was nothing I would not give my husband. For you to callously remark that you have no sympathy for a spouse or family who has been besieged thusly is a sign of a low moral standard or perhaps empathy. I should feel for you if your partner ever dallied elsewhere, or another came to take your place in your family structure leaving you caste aside for some temporary bed warmer. You wish to put the blame on the victim rather than those who would break what vows and promises of faith that were made. Shame really. I see this as a mark of how our city is shaping and turning to be. The partner is doing their best to keep their vows and promises and instead of behaving like a mature adult the other steps out of the partnership with another who knows fully that it is wrong and will hurt others (but then instant gratification is so much more celebrated here isn't it?) happily jumps in bed. I know that many vampires are old fashioned, but honestly have we not moved past the blame the victim movements?
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Post by Airey on Nov 19, 2009 16:25:58 GMT -8
So many things I want to say. Men cheat because they aren't happy with their spouse, the same stands for women. It's no one's fault but the one being cheated on, and I have absolutely no sympathy for that person, never have never will.. A See here is where I have that issue. I was the one cheated on and had done everything I could to be a good wife and there was nothing I would not give my husband. For you to callously remark that you have no sympathy for a spouse or family who has been besieged thusly is a sign of a low moral standard or perhaps empathy. I should feel for you if your partner ever dallied elsewhere, or another came to take your place in your family structure leaving you caste aside for some temporary bed warmer. You wish to put the blame on the victim rather than those who would break what vows and promises of faith that were made. Shame really. I see this as a mark of how our city is shaping and turning to be. The partner is doing their best to keep their vows and promises and instead of behaving like a mature adult the other steps out of the partnership with another who knows fully that it is wrong and will hurt others (but then instant gratification is so much more celebrated here isn't it?) happily jumps in bed. I know that many vampires are old fashioned, but honestly have we not moved past the blame the victim movements? I hate to sound like a bitch.That's a lie, anyways. First off I would just like to say that if my comments did in fact offend you that I will apologize, that isn't to say that I don't stand by my original statement, I do. Unfortunately, and I am going to have to apologize again once I have said this, but obviously there was something you were not doing right because he did cheat. And as tragic as that may have been for you, you seem alright now. Now as far as my partner, or lack there of cheating on me? Happened, been there done that, wrote a book, screen play and musical, but this isn't about me, its about what I said. If it is wrong for me not to coddle the victim, then I will be wrong. I'm not big on sympathy, and if that is wrong, and socially immoral, then oh well, you have a life time or so to forgive me, zero me and get over it. And as far as the city changing and turning, I think its a bad choice to judge the entire City and one generation on a few opinions. But that is just me. And if that's how you feel, that is how you feel. And if my comments were so insulting to you, my cellphone is freely posted and I would love to continue this topic on another level.
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Post by Errah Dragolescu on Nov 19, 2009 16:40:59 GMT -8
Airey, you like to generalize. Not every relationship that is infested by infidelity is corrupt to begin with. Some Pires--and some people, if I might go so far, are just....not the faithful kind. One might manage to rein them in for a while... but they will stray when something new and interesting comes along. Its not about "not being happy" in their present home. Many are. In fact, that's why generally, affairs are kept secret. So that they may have their bit on the side, while still maintaining their "happy home."
I'm with Josie here. To me it sounds like you could very easily become "the other woman" and not have any problem tearing a family apart.
Whether or not that is true; hearing it as someone who's family was cleaved in twain by such infidelity, sure makes you sound just like Mona.
And that's not a good thing. Not to someone who's loyalty runs thick in her veins.
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