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Post by seyda on Nov 20, 2009 6:42:55 GMT -8
Complicated situation.
At the risk of hanging my balls on the fence and looking like a giant pussah, I would like to say that I can see the point of everyone who made one with the exception of the dumbass that started this thread.
1. There is way too much of people taking their moral codes and applying it to everyone that walks. Just because you keep your legs closed doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't is bad. Everyone has the ability to establish their own beliefs and ethics, and as a result of that, they must take responsibility for those actions if they blow up. But it's not necessarily wrong...it's just different. Or, maybe I'm just too pagan for this city....*ponders this*
2. If a couple sat down and had the talk of, "We're exclusive and we are monogamous," then yes, the jilted partner has every right to pass judgment for a breaking of that agreement. If the assumption that this is fact was made, then the error is in communication. My first wife and I had a non-sexual partnership; we both had other partners, and the only agreement was that we wouldn't do anything publically that may make the other partner look bad. That was the only agreement that she and I owed to each other. My current wife and I are monogamous. That is the agreement that she and I owe to each other. If you don't have that talk, then you cannot get upset for errors of interpretation.
3. I personally do not think that the third party in any monogamous explosion owes anyone anything. Any vows made during the binding process are between the two partners...not the two partners and the city at large. Holding a grudge against a party that was a: probably not present for the vows, and b: not privy to the nature of the relationship (because let's be honest...a cheater won't be) in my opinion is rather silly...there was simply nothing owed to you from that party.
4. I agree and disagree with the statement that if someone cheats, it's the cheatee's fault for not being enough. Obviously at a purely logical level, this is true, because if the cheatee' was enough, the cheater wouldn't be looking. However, it is not necessarily the cheatee's fault. Folks grow and change with each new experience and partners outgrow each other all the time. So, it goes back to individual situations. Did the cheatee refuse sex and stalk someone until the other cheated because they were going mad? Or did the cheater simply outgrow the partner and jacked up the communication of this? Who knows? And honestly, noone really will know except those two people. Which leads me into....
5. The starter of this thread is a total drama whore tool. There was absolutely no other reason to start this thread but to condemn someone else whom the person is not involved with, and it was done under a veil of anonymity. You wish to spout off about crimes against the city, but the facts are pointing closer and closer to you simply being a cancer to this city. Show yourself publically, or show yourself the door.
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Mephistophlese Sinclair
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Post by Mephistophlese Sinclair on Nov 20, 2009 6:46:01 GMT -8
First and foremost - WE'RE FUCKING VAMPIRES. Thank you captain obvious. We don't draw a line. Period. By definition, our existance is evil. No matter what lines you want to draw, there will always be those who aren't afraid to cross them. This lack of fear makes them, and our species as a whole, strong and powerful. Translation... I have no personal strength to be anything more than an impulsive animal. You can't limit what any of us do. Sorry, but it's not going to happen. That's right. Only we can limit ourselves. And you choose to limit yourself to that of being an animal that can't help being anything other than a blood drinking beast. Now, this is the part where I tell you how to correct making yourself look like a child. First, stop bitching in the papers. Second... If this really upsets you so much, then do something about it. Stop being a pussy and fight for your values. Not with words, but with weapons. Translation... Ugh... Why use logic and rational? Using a big stick is what wins the hearts and minds of your enemies. Seriously Liander... To quote Andre who quotes some wise guy man... A wise man once said, and I feel that this is particularly apt here: When you're up to your eyes in shit... close your mouth.
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Post by Damia on Nov 20, 2009 6:54:40 GMT -8
Complicated situation. At the risk of hanging my balls on the fence and looking like a giant pussah, I would like to say that I can see the point of everyone who made one with the exception of the dumbass that started this thread. 1. There is way too much of people taking their moral codes and applying it to everyone that walks. Just because you keep your legs closed doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't is bad. Everyone has the ability to establish their own beliefs and ethics, and as a result of that, they must take responsibility for those actions if they blow up. But it's not necessarily wrong...it's just different. Or, maybe I'm just too pagan for this city....*ponders this* 2. If a couple sat down and had the talk of, "We're exclusive and we are monogamous," then yes, the jilted partner has every right to pass judgment for a breaking of that agreement. If the assumption that this is fact was made, then the error is in communication. My first wife and I had a non-sexual partnership; we both had other partners, and the only agreement was that we wouldn't do anything publically that may make the other partner look bad. That was the only agreement that she and I owed to each other. My current wife and I are monogamous. That is the agreement that she and I owe to each other. If you don't have that talk, then you cannot get upset for errors of interpretation. 3. I personally do not think that the third party in any monogamous explosion owes anyone anything. Any vows made during the binding process are between the two partners...not the two partners and the city at large. Holding a grudge against a party that was a: probably not present for the vows, and b: not privy to the nature of the relationship (because let's be honest...a cheater won't be) in my opinion is rather silly...there was simply nothing owed to you from that party. 4. I agree and disagree with the statement that if someone cheats, it's the cheatee's fault for not being enough. Obviously at a purely logical level, this is true, because if the cheatee' was enough, the cheater wouldn't be looking. However, it is not necessarily the cheatee's fault. Folks grow and change with each new experience and partners outgrow each other all the time. So, it goes back to individual situations. Did the cheatee refuse sex and stalk someone until the other cheated because they were going mad? Or did the cheater simply outgrow the partner and jacked up the communication of this? Who knows? And honestly, noone really will know except those two people. Which leads me into.... 5. The starter of this thread is a total drama whore tool. There was absolutely no other reason to start this thread but to condemn someone else whom the person is not involved with, and it was done under a veil of anonymity. You wish to spout off about crimes against the city, but the facts are pointing closer and closer to you simply being a cancer to this city. Show yourself publically, or show yourself the door. >> Darn it, now I am going to have to edit my "Blunt doesn't make right" stance
*Wink*
I agree with all of the above. Especially the last part. This whole thing was bad form to begin with. And I was not aware that this one was hiding under a shadow name. I do dislike cowards.
For why post this under an anonymous name when you simply could put it up under your real name. Or were you afraid of this backlash when it was realized that this whole situation was in fact none of your business to air.
Shameful.
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Post by Errah Dragolescu on Nov 20, 2009 8:53:43 GMT -8
MY guess, Damia, is that shadow walker IS somehow involved, but doesn't want to seem like it.
The ONLY ones who give a rat's ass about what Mona does these days are the wife of the man she's fucking and his family.
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Post by black_dragonet on Nov 20, 2009 8:55:49 GMT -8
*nods* Say what you mind, mind what you say. Hiding behind a mask shows how courageous one is.
I must admit I lost half a good glass of bloodwine reading you Meph... Trough my nose. I did disagree with Liander, but couldn't be as amusing in pointing the weaknesses of the logic as you have been. Thank you for the laugh.
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Post by ladypeacek on Nov 20, 2009 8:56:36 GMT -8
First and foremost - WE'RE FUCKING VAMPIRES. Thank you captain obvious. Translation... I have no personal strength to be anything more than an impulsive animal. That's right. Only we can limit ourselves. And you choose to limit yourself to that of being an animal that can't help being anything other than a blood drinking beast. Translation... Ugh... Why use logic and rational? Using a big stick is what wins the hearts and minds of your enemies. Seriously Liander... To quote Andre who quotes some wise guy man... A wise man once said, and I feel that this is particularly apt here: When you're up to your eyes in shit... close your mouth. I think Lianders only point was the same as many others- As vampires, no one group, clan, bloodline, or vampire can determine what our personal morals should be as a whole society...thats the beauty of our kind. And for those who pointed out that he is a proud SON- he wasnt referring to terminology...*face palm* he was referring to the ROLE itself. He is my childe, he calls himself my son- but the traditional HUMAN mother/son bond is what he is speaking of- we do not have to follow any rules or guidelines that humans do, and a good bit of us do not. I have never looked at my childer like children as a human parent would. Same idea goes for companions. That is purely between the two individuals. Has nothing to do with being weak- strength has to do with deciding your personal morals -good bad or ugly- and sticking to them- and he is right- there are always gonna be those who cross YOUR line, because we do not all share the same values and we shouldn't expect that they do. As for choosing where to 'throw down'- only each individual can do that. If you feel someone has disrespected your personal morals- do something, just don't ever go in expecting to have the backing of anyone else.
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Post by Cerridwen on Nov 20, 2009 9:27:48 GMT -8
You should try this. It's a solution that I find generally works. *dies laughing* Good one!
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Post by Cerridwen on Nov 20, 2009 9:38:32 GMT -8
I'm trying to care about this topic, really I am, but I sorta lost focus... Who am I supposed to be mad at here? Mona? Men? Sluts? Cheaters? People Who Inappropriately Capitalize? Evolution? Home wreckers? Family wreckers? Finger pointers? People who lack commitment? Help me channel my rage. *pokes you* how about just be angry will all of them?
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Post by Henry Key on Nov 20, 2009 9:41:57 GMT -8
what what in the butt
what what innnn the buttttttt
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Post by Louvain on Nov 20, 2009 10:20:34 GMT -8
Considering I know who it is.. I don't know how they're involved or how well they're involved, but I can guarantee that under some circumstances they've "involved" themselves in this for a long while now.
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Post by Airey on Nov 20, 2009 11:56:42 GMT -8
what what in the butt what what innnn the buttttttt Heeeee.
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Post by danicarayne on Nov 20, 2009 13:08:21 GMT -8
I Love using Random capitals in Sentences because it Makes my words that Much more Fun to read. Sorry Coquette.. I have a bad habit of doing that... trying to break myself of it. (Modified for random capitalization fixing)
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Post by ThiaRaven on Nov 20, 2009 21:00:18 GMT -8
I have never really involved myself in posts in the bite. I've posted info and my stats. I saw this and felt like I needed to say something.
I agree it was bad form to do this in the public eye. It should stay behind closed doors. I agree it is not just one person's fault. They both cheated therefore they are both guilty. When I bound myself to my partner, I bound to him forever and faithfully his wife I remain.
I will do the following in public so there is record of it: Mona slept with my father. It has torn my family apart. We do not blame just her. We blame him to.
I have this to say to her: I do not appreciate you coming into our home and posting awful things. You were asked to stay out and have been banned several times. Get the hint. I do not appreciate you questioning and talking to us then crying to my father when we say exactly what we think of you. I know you do because he suddenly shows up a day or two later to confront us about it. I've had enough. My family has had enough. My sister, my husband and I despise you. Never come into our home again. Never speak to us again. As for my mother, enough damage has been done and said that its over. We're done with the drama and nonsense.
I am showing my distaste for you in public eye and I am telling you to leave my family be and stay out of our home.
Good day to you.
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Post by shaarinya on Nov 20, 2009 21:16:23 GMT -8
*has a bucket of weed delivered to Boomer's house* ~scowls at the seyda troll~ where's mine???
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Post by Mephistophlese Sinclair on Nov 21, 2009 0:10:57 GMT -8
Considering I know who it is.. I don't know how they're involved or how well they're involved, but I can guarantee that under some circumstances they've "involved" themselves in this for a long while now. Oh come on now Coquette... Spill it. Who is it? Don't tease us that you know and you ain't sharing. That's just mean.
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