Airey
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Post by Airey on Nov 19, 2009 17:49:04 GMT -8
Airey, you like to generalize. Not every relationship that is infested by infidelity is corrupt to begin with. Some Pires--and some people, if I might go so far, are just....not the faithful kind. One might manage to rein them in for a while... but they will stray when something new and interesting comes along. Its not about "not being happy" in their present home. Many are. In fact, that's why generally, affairs are kept secret. So that they may have their bit on the side, while still maintaining their "happy home." I'm with Josie here. To me it sounds like you could very easily become "the other woman" and not have any problem tearing a family apart. Whether or not that is true; hearing it as someone who's family was cleaved in twain by such infidelity, sure makes you sound just like Mona. And that's not a good thing. Not to someone who's loyalty runs thick in her veins. Maybe I am too general. But you just assumed that I would have no issue being the "other woman" which is a failure to understand my character and my stand point. Because I choose not to side with Josephine it seems like I have been instantly thrown into the category of the bad guy, and the bitch that has no emotion. When to be perfectly honest I think this entire thing is ridiculous and never should have been brought to the public eye because its degrading and classless. But it has, and I voiced my opinion, and if you or anyone else does not like it I am sorry that you and anyone else feels that way. And for the record, I am not a home wrecker, Thank you.
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Post by Errah Dragolescu on Nov 19, 2009 18:00:08 GMT -8
I never meant to imply such, Airey. Just saying that it seems that way, the way you worded things in previous statements.
As my first statement on this topic clearly states, I think as you do; that this should never have been publicized. Especially since things really went down back in June and July. Why take this long to air dirty laundry? After 6 months, surely its stale and moldy...and frankly, who cares? Why, unless the still-injured party is grasping at straws to try and run Mona from the city.
I have news for them. That's not going to stop her. This is nothing. The HOB and HOS doors are revolving at an alarming rate these days anyway--and people cheating... As common as cherry pie. It's been that way, probably, from the dawn of our time.
Frankly, I wish they would get over themselves, and get over this drama, accept the inevitable, and move on with what family, and with what little dignity they still maintain. The more its drug out, the worse it is for everyone involved.
Anyway, yes, you stated your opinion... And well, its within my right to have an opinion of your opinion. We don't see eye-to-eye entirely. And that's ok. I still respect your thoughts, and your courage to state them freely.
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Post by Boomerangele on Nov 19, 2009 19:00:29 GMT -8
I'm trying to care about this topic, really I am, but I sorta lost focus...
Who am I supposed to be mad at here? Mona? Men? Sluts? Cheaters? People Who Inappropriately Capitalize? Evolution? Home wreckers? Family wreckers? Finger pointers? People who lack commitment?
Help me channel my rage.
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Idony
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Post by Idony on Nov 19, 2009 19:04:12 GMT -8
Weren't you supposed to be neutral?
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Post by Boomerangele on Nov 19, 2009 19:07:15 GMT -8
Is that what this topic is about? Really?
I just wanted to harness some righteous indignation.
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Airey
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Post by Airey on Nov 19, 2009 19:07:33 GMT -8
I never meant to imply such, Airey. Just saying that it seems that way, the way you worded things in previous statements. As my first statement on this topic clearly states, I think as you do; that this should never have been publicized. Especially since things really went down back in June and July. Why take this long to air dirty laundry? After 6 months, surely its stale and moldy...and frankly, who cares? Why, unless the still-injured party is grasping at straws to try and run Mona from the city. I have news for them. That's not going to stop her. This is nothing. The HOB and HOS doors are revolving at an alarming rate these days anyway--and people cheating... As common as cherry pie. It's been that way, probably, from the dawn of our time. Frankly, I wish they would get over themselves, and get over this drama, accept the inevitable, and move on with what family, and with what little dignity they still maintain. The more its drug out, the worse it is for everyone involved. Anyway, yes, you stated your opinion... And well, its within my right to have an opinion of your opinion. We don't see eye-to-eye entirely. And that's ok. I still respect your thoughts, and your courage to state them freely. Really...that is ridiculous. This is a topic that should have been shot down in the first place. And you are right, although our ideals may not meet eye to eye, we do agree on one thing, no? That all of this, is insane and childish to be brought back up. Though I will say this, I had fun voicing my ideals, debating even, against two strong women.
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Post by Damia on Nov 19, 2009 19:33:47 GMT -8
So your not involved, but you decide to publicize this issue and then insult those of who try to give helpful advice because we assume, that surely no one would bring this up if it did not concern them.
Errah my sympathy is with you and the rest of your family that had this dragged out again. Some wounds take time to heal, but having them put in the public eye for all to see because some one wants to grab a bit of spotlight is never a good bandage.
And shadow, I believe you owe an apology to all sides. Its one thing if your so upset on someone's behalf and decide to perhaps attack the other or defend them. But displaying this out when said people have been trying to get over it because you feel it is necessary. Well personally I think you should have asked those affected the most to begin with before you pulled this stunt.
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Post by Arlana Rose on Nov 19, 2009 20:22:26 GMT -8
After being in a situation similar to this, I have to say if you are going to blame the "other woman" you need to also blame the one whom was also in this situation. Josephine stated it takes two to tango and it does. Honestly, there is no point in trying to blame someone because everyone in the situation ends up hurt one way or another, be it judgment from the other 'pires in the city, or be it losing the loved one, no one gets off scott free. It takes months, sometimes years for the "other woman" to be rid of most of the skepticism as it does for the other half of the equation, but never will she be rid of what happened, neither will because someone will always hold a grudge and bring it up, no matter how much the people have changed.
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Post by CG Dragonfly on Nov 19, 2009 21:10:00 GMT -8
All I have to say is (yes, say 'How dare you, you're neutral' or 'You're insensitive').
It isn't the first time someone cheated or helped another cheat. It won't be the last time. Let's move on.
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Liander
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Post by Liander on Nov 19, 2009 21:13:41 GMT -8
It has recently come to my attention that certain members of our fine community see nothing wrong with stealing a husband, robbing children of their father and destroying a family. Now, I understand that this city is filled with evil but where exactly do we....draw the line? At what point is someone supposed to say 'Enough' and throw down? At what point did vampires become creatures obsessed with sex and destruction to the level where nothing is sacred and to the point where the only thing that matters is them and the next....partner their going to enjoy the company of? How would any of you feel if someone came into your lives and slept with your companion? How would you then feel if that same person caused your companion to loose all their childer? How then might one take on a challenge made on hearth and home to such a degree? I find it quite distasteful that some members of our fair city would stoop to such a level and purposefully make themselves a nuisance to an entire family for the mere sake of having someone to sleep with at night...Truly I need to wonder what our fair city has come to if this is acceptable behavior! There is a certain member of our community that has committed such an act and alas I cannot sit idly by and allow something like this to happen! It cannot be stood for! I will not idly sit by and allow this person to become a plague upon the city. Moving from family to family, partner to partner and destroying anything she does not see as important! It is disgraceful and disgusting and to think that a single person is capable of such a cold hearted act is...deplorable. Now...Mona Hraefn...I call you before the city to answer for your crimes against the city and to explain why you think your actions are acceptable... Well, I'm not going to read all three pages of this shit. I'm sure it's all just the same drama we always see with different names attached to it. I do have a few comments on this first post, however. First and foremost - WE'RE FUCKING VAMPIRES. Family and children and husband and wife are human bonds. Such things are beneath us. We have a sire, childer, and a partner-bound. Stop deluding yourself into thinking you can lead a white picket-fence life for the rest of eternity. If someone's spouse was "stolen," that's their own damn fault. Obviously, the one being stolen decided they could do better. It's no one's fault but their own that they can't keep those close to them. It's their own weakness and lack of willpower that caused them to lose that person. I really, really like this part: Now, I understand that this city is filled with evil but where exactly do we....draw the line? At what point is someone supposed to say 'Enough' and throw downWe don't draw a line. Period. By definition, our existance is evil. No matter what lines you want to draw, there will always be those who aren't afraid to cross them. This lack of fear makes them, and our species as a whole, strong and powerful. You can't limit what any of us do. Sorry, but it's not going to happen. Now, this is the part where I tell you how to correct making yourself look like a child. First, stop bitching in the papers. Second... If this really upsets you so much, then do something about it. Stop being a pussy and fight for your values. Not with words, but with weapons. Or are those in our community not vampire enough to defend their territory without resorting to high school drama?
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Post by Josephine on Nov 19, 2009 23:06:27 GMT -8
See Liander that is where opinions differ. To say we are vampires and thus are naturally evil is to say that because one is human you are inherently good, stupid, or weak. There are humans out there in this world who can out evil the best of that which walks the night and create horrors that even the eldest and most numbed of us would wince upon.
There are those of us who still hold to that inner balance and hope that we can redeem ourselves and find that peace. Just because I was made vampire does not mean I was made a mindless killing and eating machine. That is closer to Rel's zombies than what we are. Who says that we are evil by nature?
By myth created in mankind we were some sort of repressed sensuality during the Victorian era because even the table's legs must be covered else a man might gain an erection. Which I would gain that even the good Queen Victoria was noting that the baser nature of males in general is to hump anything they can catch.
Bonds of the heart and flesh still form and hold. Just because one is turned does not mean your emotions dull until you are nothing more than a man shaped shark. To hide behind this affliction of vampire, to say this dark curse is valid excuse for being a horny, faithless, man/woman whore is just an excuse to take the blame off yourself.
It is saying ' I didn't do it... the devil made me' which is a load of bull shit. Yes we are not human, but our base stock is. Yes, we no longer live in human society where we can have children and roam in the sunlight enjoying perfectly normal and respectful lives. This does not mean we go from being those who wish to contribute to society to homicidal minded beings with only evil and cruel intentions on our minds.
So no, as a female who while a vampire can hold to a moral vow; I do not accept this- we are vampires so it is alright to break each oath we make, to perform acts of depravity or prey on those weaker, to step outside our way to attack and pounce upon those helpless to defend because we are vampires.
Stop using the affliction as your crutch. No doubt as a human you were the type to do these things and upon turning it only amplified the natural aptitude. Strength is not oppressing the weak, but instead helping them rise. Power is not in bullying and preying upon the helpless but working towards bettering the future.
A man cannot be stolen without his will; just the same as the woman cannot give in without hers. Stop hiding behind myth and assumed 'evil' notoriety. Some morals do not change just because you are unable to tan any longer...
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Post by rel on Nov 19, 2009 23:41:15 GMT -8
Is that what this topic is about? Really? I just wanted to harness some righteous indignation. do it towards me... it'll be okay, i promise...
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Post by Errah Dragolescu on Nov 20, 2009 1:01:12 GMT -8
Just a simple question... If we are totally evil, homicidal immoral beings who don't give a fuck about a fuck... Why the hell do we have the option to bind as partners to one another? Who thought that up, hm? If it followed that to be a vampire was to be this amoralistic maniac, the idea of having a "family" or "partner" is ludicrous. And Liander... I don't mean any offense.... But...You might want to check yourself before you speak next time... Family and children and husband and wife are human bonds. Such things are beneath us. We have a sire, childer, and a partner-bound. Stop deluding yourself into thinking you can lead a white picket-fence life for the rest of eternity.Son? Isn't that a weak human term? Did you mean "childe"? oops?
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Post by black_dragonet on Nov 20, 2009 4:32:08 GMT -8
Just a simple question... If we are totally evil, homicidal immoral beings who don't give a fuck about a fuck... Why the hell do we have the option to bind as partners to one another? Who thought that up, hm? If it followed that to be a vampire was to be this amoralistic maniac, the idea of having a "family" or "partner" is ludicrous. And Liander... I don't mean any offense.... But...You might want to check yourself before you speak next time... Family and children and husband and wife are human bonds. Such things are beneath us. We have a sire, childer, and a partner-bound. Stop deluding yourself into thinking you can lead a white picket-fence life for the rest of eternity.Son? Isn't that a weak human term? Did you mean "childe"? oops? Errah, you just are... Amazing. Thank you. Liander, you should not think all others are as you are... No more than I think others are as I am.
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Post by seyda on Nov 20, 2009 6:25:03 GMT -8
I'm trying to care about this topic, really I am, but I sorta lost focus... Who am I supposed to be mad at here? Mona? Men? Sluts? Cheaters? People Who Inappropriately Capitalize? Evolution? Home wreckers? Family wreckers? Finger pointers? People who lack commitment? Help me channel my rage. *has a bucket of weed delivered to Boomer's house*
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