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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 26, 2009 7:18:15 GMT -8
Normally... NORMALLY, i'd jump all for this idea, competition is good for business. But Luke, bad idea, simply because...well you haven't been here long enough to have any kind of trust factor with the 'pires here. Good luck though. I believe that says it all. Though I hate to be rude, but your interaction with dragonet, and as well your youth, do not play well in this scenario where many would be ending up giving you their precious coin. Though perhaps you could join forces with others and redeem yourself, you never know. That black dragonet thing still being talked about? I never in my life heard someone whine with such an echo before this. Fucking hysterical. Well if you don't trust me, my grandsire Valens Dragosee is partner in this. Gallagher is also lending a helping hand. And all the pessimism here is so boring. Liven up. "I will bitch and shit on anything new and different because I'm a sad gloomy gus vampire and it'll all fail anyway... everything fails." Skrilla Saves is happening. And it's gonna be a smash. Lets just accept it shall we?
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 26, 2009 7:21:07 GMT -8
It's not really a slave Auction Idony, but more a great big sex party.. Keys in the fish bowl and all No, really? Wonder why I called it a farce up there then... Gotta love the firm grasp on subtlety.
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Post by Damia on Nov 26, 2009 7:36:29 GMT -8
As much as I respect the name of your grandsire, and the one of Gallagher, yours is the one on this auction correct?
And tis not whining if it is a fact. Having bad business deals, with one who is quite respected, and then suddenly trying to do an auction, even if meant in good fun, does not make it all go away. So it is not whining, its a past fact that might make perhaps a few nervous to deal with -you-.
But as I said, perhaps you can overcome said reputation with this event. Who knows. Though with your quick tongue to insult anyone who you think is whining, I doubt it.
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 26, 2009 7:45:18 GMT -8
This should be over with. My only mistake was that I forgot to label that last sell an auction. I owned up to that. This says auction in the *title*. Ya don't have to worry about that issue. And to an extent, it is whining. Because he went the extra mile slander my name and call me a 'deceiving lier' when it was perhaps the most honest sell of its kind in RB history. He just didn't like the way it went down. There will be contracts with the Skrila Slave auction. No one will have to worry about those types of blunders because we are taking extra time in the setting up of this just so everything runs smoothly and without a hitch.
And if you really want to make this a topic of discussion, I'd like it if you could make a separate thread elsewhere so as not to distract from the point of this thread. The auction. Make a separate thread and I promise to address all concerns given to me.
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Post by Damia on Nov 26, 2009 7:51:02 GMT -8
You are quite right in the fact that I was derailing a bit, whether it pertains or not. So I shall refrain from commenting. My apologies.
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 26, 2009 7:53:09 GMT -8
You are quite right in the fact that I was derailing a bit, whether it pertains or not. So I shall refrain from commenting. My apologies. No problem. As a potential customer you had a legitimate concern. It's my pleasure to put your mind at ease.
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Post by Bambi on Nov 26, 2009 7:55:13 GMT -8
So.. it's a knocking shop?
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Post by Louvain on Nov 26, 2009 7:55:37 GMT -8
You know, this is exactly what I mean regarding another young vampire, too.
Take responsibility for your fuckups and don't blame them on others. One, blaming your own inadequacies on others labels you as an easily manipulated idiot, and two, it makes you entirely untrustworthy in your further behaviors no matter how often you cry "change" because quite frankly, it hasn't happened yet. And personally, claiming that your name was not only slandered but that you're the "best businessman" and made the "best deal in history" is completely ridiculous.
You don't know the City's histories nor it's current dealings and you most definitely and obviously do not know or understand the history of the auction or what it used to be. And personally, trying to recreate it and make a name for yourself off of someone else's idea (whether or not you have the assistance of well known partners or not) doesn't appeal to me. I didn't create Bite with the intention of usurping the ideas of other news sources in the City and up to thus far, I don't believe I have. I think your personal attitude that you are better than those who've come before you not only makes you someone I don't want to surround myself with, but definitely a person whose trustworthiness can be doubted in business, ESPECIALLY considering your past with transactions. Modesty goes a long way in a young vampire and your personal behaviors as well have turned me off to the entire concept.
You cannot walk into the City, publicly lie and fleece someone of their honest business, and then demand that they release the situation without you having proven change or that the otherwise is definite from now on.
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Post by Damia on Nov 26, 2009 8:03:18 GMT -8
You are quite right in the fact that I was derailing a bit, whether it pertains or not. So I shall refrain from commenting. My apologies. No problem. As a potential customer you had a legitimate concern. It's my pleasure to put your mind at ease. Doubtful. I for one, quite respect dragonet, so that would be the first obstacle, and the second, you did nothing to put my mind at ease. Unless you call someone raising a valid point a whiner, and then whining that they are in fact derailing your NEW business discussion with such concerns "easing".
So forgive the sarcastic tone, if it drips to much.
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Post by Louvain on Nov 26, 2009 8:05:11 GMT -8
Not to mention that as per the rules legitimate discussion about a topic is well within its right to be discussed IN that topic so as not to promote clutter. Weren't you the one whining about how many threads we have about one topic, Luke? Tsk. Guess it's only okay when they're about you.
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 26, 2009 8:09:45 GMT -8
Problem is I never lied to him. How many times do I have to say the same thing.
And everything doesn't have to be a sparkly wave of original thought. Sometimes people improve on old things. I did own up to my 'fuckup', but I refuse to be blamed for something I didn't do. My fuck up was not labeling my auction as an auction. Aside from that slip up I was nothing *but* honest with all parties involved.
And you can put all the spin on what I say you want to try and further your point, but I'm not even going to respond to your emotional raving about exaggerated or seemingly made up statements from me. Don't put words in my mouth.
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Post by Louvain on Nov 26, 2009 8:14:29 GMT -8
I don't believe it's an an exaggeration to want honest people handling my hard-earned money when you have in the past shown an inability to BE one based on your greed and your eagerness to be something that you are quite not. Your arrogance and stubborn pride are a turn off to those people ACTUALLY seeking change. You may claim that you were nothing but honest to those involved, yet the fact remains that if you actually were there would not have been a problem. Dragonet values truth and honor above all things, so if you were both truthful and honorable, as someone who actually knows this clanmate of your sire and grandsire, my assessment would be that dragonet would not have had any sort of issue with you. And to be honest, I'm more inclined to believe his interpretation of events based on your continued insistence that your inadequacy as a businessperson be swept under the rug as well as the TOPIC of the issue, which was in fact your dishonesty. I'm not inclined to believe someone whose major problem has been not telling the truth and whose main motive is to make himself look better to the City without discrimination about what he does or how he behaves.
I'm really just not interested in participating in an auction with people who have made it clear they can't be trusted.
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 26, 2009 8:22:02 GMT -8
Look, you can just take your buddies word out mouth, or you can go look for yourself and see what happened.
My blunder was not *labeling* it as an auction. This was the one and only problem in the entire ordeal. His own quotations of my privet messages can attest to my honesty in that right.
It was my first interaction with the city at large, and I went about it in an uninformed way. I actually find it petty that him and his friends are still going about trying to slander me about a simple beginners mistake.
This is a collaborative effort, that will be well thought out and offer contracts precisely because I *did* learn from past mistakes.
But you can continue reading what you want from my words if it makes your judgmentalness feel more validated, because I know things like that are important to some people.
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Post by Gallagher on Nov 26, 2009 8:37:44 GMT -8
Gallagher offered to lend a helping hand, a "nominal association" whose nature and extent were not yet determined. The above has been amended to reflect the reality of the situation. But then I had misgivings. Your public relations skills need improvement. When promoting one's cause it is advisable to avoid disenfranchising potential stakeholders. Negative mentions detract from your cause. Prematurely showing one's cards, so to say, also is not considered good practice. And name-dropping won't get you anywhere in this city. As I alluded yesterday, I think another viable alternative to the current state of will emerge soon enough.
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 26, 2009 8:39:02 GMT -8
Update: Gallagher has chosen to back down from her involvement with Skrilla Slaves.
And please just let me get a few words out without being attacked. I came into this city and tried to set up a sale. My ignorance of how exactly these things worked led to me use poor wording. That bit me on the ass by scorning someone with considerable respect.
But this was never my intention. I failed to properly label it as an auction. I am taking extra care, along with my respectable partners to make sure that this is run smoothly and completely fairly. I am in the process of having contracts written out and finding a good method of accounting to make sure everyone gets their fair cut.
I take business very seriously, and I am going to prove that to you all. My past mistakes have only made me stronger.
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