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Post by Rykoth on Jul 12, 2008 2:28:44 GMT -8
Led By: ladypeacek - The Stygian Gypsychild - The Oracle Rykoth - The Arbiter
Who We Are: The Ferrymen is one of the oldest clans still in existence in Ravenblack City, yet perhaps may seem quite different then the original clan that had formed. While we respect the legacy of the one known as Lucius, the lamps burn no more for him. The legacy of the Ferrymen is not about Lucius, but the ones that made the clan who we are today - past and present, every single member that has entered the halls, and departed. Without that [/img] legacy, Ferrymen would not exist. We are warriors, we are thieves, we are agents. We are those who travel the River Styx, and stick by each other, fight together, and die together. Alignment:As always, we are good to our allies, and evil to our enemies. How to Join:Contact Rykoth (Rykoth_obraonain), Gypsychild (johanna_corleone), or ladypeacek (ladypeacek69) on YiM[/center]
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Post by seyda on Jul 12, 2008 9:20:34 GMT -8
Do you respect the legacy of the one known as ophelia?
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Post by Rykoth on Jul 12, 2008 12:39:16 GMT -8
The simple answer is yep. The only legacies not respected within our halls are the ones that brought about lapses within the clan - negative or simply silent.
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Post by seyda on Jul 13, 2008 6:11:20 GMT -8
Well, if you respect the legacy of the one known as ophelia, why are you willing to perpetuate the myth that the Ferrymen was solely the creation of Lucius? Surely you know the true story, yes?
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Post by Rykoth on Jul 13, 2008 9:31:58 GMT -8
He is mentioned because of the unfortunate fact certain pires in this city think that it was all Lucius and that Lucius "built the ferrymen." Lucius cared only of himself, and that is what we know, and that is why his lamps burn no more.
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Post by seyda on Jul 13, 2008 10:58:39 GMT -8
Okay, just checking! *smile*
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Post by Damari on Jul 13, 2008 23:56:11 GMT -8
Jesus, this is what happens when you let AdaMaS back into the Halls. I swear to shit, not everything HE says is the God's given truth either so I'd be very careful about re-writing history there too.
What a bunch of nonsense is this Rykoth.
Instead of saying this is what we are NOT. How about focusing on what you ARE.
I say if you repudiate history because it isn't to your liking then you leave no room for your own advancement because you're so busy denying what went before. In the end who cares what others say about what you are. You are, as you will always be and whether that history is featured highly by Lucius, or ophelia or Jean DeVenn matters not.
YOU CAN NOT REWRITE your HISTORY just because you now don't like what it looks like. If you take care of your present then that will form a large part of what will be history and THAT is what will feature.
Just let it be what it was and focus on what you are now. Is this so hard?
Was it REALLY necessary to come in here and essentially say Fuck Lucius?
Ohh and Seyda. Honestly, love you. But ophelia left the clan EONS ago. What they are now has nothing to do with her at all and hasn't for years. And the same goes for Lucius. They're obsolete parts of a history that was rich but long past its due date.
I've always believed that so in that I agree with you Rykoth, what I don't agree with is that you've essentially posted in public that you're going to re-write the clan's history because for SOME reason *coughs* AdaMaS *hacks* You've decided it's inaccurate.
Don't stand on the laurels of your past leaders. I agree with that, but I also dont' believe it's a good idea to attempt to negate what they were either... Not Lucius, not ophelia, not Lord Wanderingfool, Aphaythea, Jean DeVenn, Vella, Annabelle, Cerridwen.
They all added to the history. It was a history that was created BEFORE you were there so just accept what it is as it stands and then create your own.
Damned stupid coming in here and saying, we don't like that part of the history so fuck that.. we're going to rewrite it.
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Post by Rykoth on Jul 14, 2008 6:21:54 GMT -8
Nowhere did we say we are rewriting. Not one line said rewriting.
What we are now though is nothing like what we were, and yes, while we understand Lucius played a part, ultimately, why should we pay homage to someone who served himself? Why pay homage to someone who basically said "I do not care about this clan?"
Not once did we say we were rewriting history.
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Post by seyda on Jul 14, 2008 7:22:21 GMT -8
Love you too, Damari.
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Post by On on Jul 14, 2008 7:22:37 GMT -8
He is mentioned because of the unfortunate fact certain pires in this city think that it was all Lucius and that Lucius "built the ferrymen." Lucius cared only of himself, and that is what we know, and that is why his lamps burn no more. If that is what you think you know, then you know nothing.
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Post by Rykoth on Jul 14, 2008 11:52:24 GMT -8
If you can think of one good reason why we should respect someone who stated he didn't give a damn about the very clan he supposedly built... (when truly it was people like ophelia who contributed the most) .... then I might reconsider the stance.
But this is not the place for you telling me I'm wrong or throwing petty insults.
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Post by Damari on Jul 14, 2008 12:59:14 GMT -8
Ohh well, see I think you have it wrong in that he might have said he didn’t care about the clan. But he did in fact care. It might have been for his own megalomaniac reasons, but he still cared.
And why is this only about Lucius and ophelia. I think you ALL have blinders on. Sure, the clan might have been started by them but for fucks sake Jean DeVenn is probably the longest most CONSISTENT leader of the clan ever. He was stalwart and present, he cared and he worked tirelessly in that clan for years upon years.
But no, everytime this discussion comes up it’s only Lucius and ophelia as if none came after and built the clan up way BEYOND what they started. You people never give credit to the people who work behind the scenes to see any one thing done. Jean DeVenn was always there, always worked and always gave his all.
And you all have the reins but instead of focusing on the good of what YOU do, you stand in public and say ‘Fuck Lucius’.
Rykoth, it’s exactly what it looks like you’re doing. Re-writing history. If you’re not. Great. But be very careful what you allow AdaMaS to influence in the clan histories. Remember well that he was the bastard son of Lucius and raped Lucius’ lineage by paying off God Ravenblack to see it done. Hardly the one to go to when wanting unbiased opinion.
At any rate. The first thing you did wrong was mention Lucius at all. Lucius is like Mab. He will fade the minute you lot stop putting him in front of the spot light and turning the glare up. He doesn’t perpetuate his own myth.
You do. All of you do. And I bet he’s rolling around in the dreaming or wherever the hell he is right now. Laughing is ass off at you.
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Post by Damari on Jul 14, 2008 13:17:50 GMT -8
Love you too, Damari. *grins impishly and preens* I know
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Post by ophelia Lokason on Jul 14, 2008 13:22:23 GMT -8
Ohh and Seyda. Honestly, love you. But ophelia left the clan EONS ago. I'm only going to say this once and then leave it to the side. I did not leave the Ferrymen. Lucius ejected me after his unreasonable requests from the Shadow Court Chancellors were not met. And yes, that is an important point to me. Thanks! Having said that, there was absolutely no need for your clan description to say anything about the Lamps or Lucius in this post. You could have, and should probably do a re-do, and simply describe your clan as it stands now and what the goals are, Oh. And just because I can. Fuck Lucius *grins* What?! You folks need to lighten up already.
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Post by Scythian Chornovyl on Jul 14, 2008 13:55:04 GMT -8
Nowhere did we say we are rewriting. Not one line said rewriting. What we are now though is nothing like what we were, and yes, while we understand Lucius played a part, ultimately, why should we pay homage to someone who served himself? Why pay homage to someone who basically said "I do not care about this clan?" Not once did we say we were rewriting history. Wow, this Lucius fellow sounds like a real Grumpy Gus.
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