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Post by Katastrophe St. John-Talon on Apr 18, 2009 16:00:31 GMT -8
Time and again the issue of torpor has come up. Unless you make your home under a rock or you're pink or you're as big or bigger than my sister (love you Liz!), at some point during your unlife, someone will completely drain you of blood via a holy water and/or garlic bath. Dispute that if you must, but let's just assume that as a fact for the purpose of this piece.
I've recently come to understand that there are some pires strong enough that they simply don't require torpor, I spoke with Andre Louvain, and here's what he had to say:
"I don't see it as a choice. You're either a tough bastard, or you get knocked out until you have some blood in you. Choosing when to sleep after losing your blood? Doesn't make sense to me."
He mentioned that he'd never been drained completely of his blood before and I asked what he would do if it happened during battle.
"I respectfully bow out of the fight for two weeks. Otherwise, I talk, walk around, bite who I please so long as they're not the opposing force, and yeah."
So he does actually take a two week break of sorts. I asked if he would respond in his own obit and he said he'd only remark on the fact that he doesn't rest.
This is really the first time I've encountered something like this, always having been told that taking torpor after being drained was the honorable thing to do, and after having experienced it firsthand last year, it's what I need, given my own human-like state. And I've always held those that take torpor in the highest honor after they've fallen in battle or even outside of battle at the hands of someone for whatever reason.
So, what gets me?
1. Those who selectively take torpor. Does one pire's holy water have a different effect than those of another? If so, are they simply not buying discount?
2. Pires who say they aren't taking torpor and continue to come back to their obit to talk about whatever. Why do we have an obit if they aren't taking torpor? It should go in a different section or not be reported at all if they plan on visiting a necromancer in under 24 hours only to rejoin the fray.
3. Pires who pretend to be ghosts. I can't even say more about that, I mean, what the fuck?
So, let's hear it. What do you do, and why?
Tonight's rant has been brought to you by The Empath's Guilds, "Have you had your surprise today?"
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Post by Lameth on Apr 18, 2009 16:32:43 GMT -8
Well, I'm personally going to take a stroll from my rest simply to say, I don't take torpor. If I'm zeroed in a conflict, which I was, then I'll bow out of the fight for two weeks which I have. Just because one doesn't take torpor, doesn't mean they're going to go to the necromancer and return to the fight, it just means for me anyways that I'm not going to sleep.
Of course, I can't think of many people who will take torpor or rest if zeroed by Splinters.
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Post by rel on Apr 18, 2009 17:10:09 GMT -8
Now...I know you're ferry, and I don't wanna harp on this but your leader clearly stated that no one who fell would talk in the papers for two weeks. Why are you different again?
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Post by Katastrophe St. John-Talon on Apr 18, 2009 17:27:24 GMT -8
Just because one doesn't take torpor, doesn't mean they're going to go to the necromancer and return to the fight. Excellent point. I see this also to be the case depending on the pire. Of course, I can't think of many people who will take torpor or rest if zeroed by Splinters. But then that goes back to being selective when taking torpor. Is the holy water the Splinters throw somehow less effective? Now...I know you're ferry, and I don't wanna harp on this but your leader clearly stated that no one who fell would talk in the papers for two weeks. Why are you different again? Love you, Llama, but I'm kinda wondering that myself.
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Post by Lameth on Apr 18, 2009 20:10:14 GMT -8
Well, I wanted to comment before this thread got old. Besides that, I'm resting, NOT taking torpor and I'm not speaking on current issues at hand. Even more besides that, my forced rest is up in a mere 3 days time.
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Post by augustnite on Apr 18, 2009 20:16:37 GMT -8
Call me the obedient one... but I took my two weeks, no posting in public forums, only biting humans, and bowed out of the fighting. If the fighting had remained when I returned, I would rejoin the fight.
I do think it is the honorable thing to do. That's just what I was taught. I don't think it's ok to just say you're not going to take it, if the only reason is because you don't think you were justly zeroed. Doesn't matter the reason, you have no blood. You're done. Go rest somewhere.
Now, the only thing I can think of that someone might be wanting to not rest is in the case of "Well, they're just going to zero me again, so why bother resting?" Well.... I don't know where I stand on that.. I think you would have to cross someone pretty bad to have that happen, and you know we vampires are fickle creatures, but we have long memories so who knows. Maybe you could rest and go about your unlive and just see what happens.
And I only did the Ghostie thing with other clan members, and it was all in jest. I still had my body, just little to no blood.
Edit to add: Ok, what is the difference between resting, taking torpor, or going on vacation?
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Post by Promethius on Apr 18, 2009 22:25:43 GMT -8
I would take torpor. I'd probably have my hospital bed wheeled into the Ghettos so I could continue to make smart-ass remarks, though.
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Post by Lisastrata on Apr 18, 2009 22:29:30 GMT -8
I'm doing this only because I am on leave. Have been for a bit. I was zeroed not in battle or for any specific reason other than my clan affiliation. I learned the reason for the war and put away my vials. Didn't go down swinging, and I'm not necroing. Been walking and biting. As soon as I get high enough that my childe can quit buzzing about me like a worried mother hen, I'll be back to doing my job, but that doesn't mean that I can't speak. It just takes a little longer to type things. That's all.
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Post by Elektra on Apr 19, 2009 4:56:33 GMT -8
I believe that once a choice has been made whether to take torpor or not, it should be the case no matter the reason for the zeroing.
I take torpor, and even if I am unjustly zeroed, I will.
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Post by Katastrophe St. John-Talon on Apr 19, 2009 5:53:33 GMT -8
I would take torpor. I'd probably have my hospital bed wheeled into the Ghettos so I could continue to make smart-ass remarks, though. Towards the end of my two weeks last year I remember being in a wheelchair for a family meeting of some kind. I believe that once a choice has been made whether to take torpor or not, it should be the case no matter the reason for the zeroing. I take torpor, and even if I am unjustly zeroed, I will. Agreed! A holy water's effect doesn't randomly change based on who is throwing it and why.
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Post by kaio999 on Apr 19, 2009 6:06:35 GMT -8
I like the break two weeks of bliss been there 16 times. Plus I find ghosting extremely amusing, though I myself dont do it.
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Post by rel on Apr 19, 2009 10:36:53 GMT -8
I think the entire thing is extremely insulting to those your fighting for if you all of a sudden 'claim' leave. If rules of engagement have been set, then regardless of your own personal choice you should adhere to them. I don't talk to ghosts. I don't know how. *smiles* I mean perhaps I've felt the cold chill upon my neck and wondered...huh...is that a ghost? But I digress...
I'm not sure why or when this notion that one vampyre is stronger than the next so that they above all others have the ability to run around with no blood and spout out things in papers in the same regard as when they're back up in strength. I don't know how that's possible. I mean if you dragged yourself in somewhere, bleeding and burned, hacking and exhausted, your only thought of nourishment to fill the ache within to get enough blood to heal your wounds. If your feral, your only thought to attack humans and prey on them regardless of the outcome, and within that you ramble off things to others, then you should be able to be hit again. That's my opinion. Own it. Own that you're coming out of torpor (in whatever that means to you) and deal with the given circumstances of your own body. You're broken, you're beat up, you're without blood, and you need assistance. I don't understand how this can be debated away.
Comments have consequences, and stating 'I'm not in torpor' as an excuse is just that...an excuse. It's really up to others on how they want to react to that. Either by ignoring, attacking, or accepting it. Lameth commented that his is up in three days. That makes it okay? How is that okay? Three days is THREE DAYS. Not today. Not yesterday. I see that and I wonder if he realizes the perception that gives to others. My perception is he doesn't honor his clan leader. Could I be wrong? Sure. But that's the perception, because if he so blatantly disregards an edict that she took the time to post within the paper, then how much respect is there?
Torpor doesn't always a dream state. I think that's a part of it, especially if you've been brought down to the point of having ALL OF YOUR BLOOD leave your body? Seems like that would knock you on your ass. Just saying. I would personally, after coming out of unconsciousness, want hookers and whiskey to help tend my wounds. I would want to drink blood to my hearts content draining as many as possible to feel those wounds closing. I would want to rest, letting my body regenerate from the battle, and I would want to come back stronger, so that if the conflict was still going in two weeks I could actually be effective.
Now - going to a necromancer is different, I guess. If you are that hell bent on continuing the battle, regardless of the cost, then that makes sense. You've healed yourself. You CAN run around with strength, your wounds now fresh scars. I would think you'd still ache a bit, but I wouldn't know...
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Post by Lisastrata on Apr 19, 2009 10:47:40 GMT -8
Rel, if you were involved in a pointless he said she said war, wouldn't you think twice on wether or not it was worth fighting where there is so much else you could be doing with your coin, weapons, and time?
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Post by rel on Apr 19, 2009 10:56:43 GMT -8
I don't think my body would let me make that decision if I were brought to zero. I think that my exhaustion would overwhelm me and I think that if my leader (or sire if the case is that) told me to follow an order - which I would think that I accepted when I decided to take part in the fray - I would follow it. The politics would be something I would let others still fighting deal with, that I would allow the two clan leaders (or heads of bloodline) sort out as is their right, and after two weeks rest I would come out publicly with opinions at the ready and blow them all to hell. It's my personal opinion. I'm not trying to dog you personally.
All war is pointless as much as all war is thrilling. There are always going to be folks involved who think it's a waste and folks who live for the thrill of killing. That's the nature of our city. But being hit is being hit, and being drained of all your blood is just that.
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Post by Lisastrata on Apr 19, 2009 11:01:22 GMT -8
Rel...I've been on leave for a while. I dropped out of the war without publicly stating it two weeks ago. Stopped moving except to help my childe with a quest when he ran out of sprints. Haven't hit any of the warring parties in 2 weeks. Still died. Not in torpor
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