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Post by Louvain on Aug 16, 2009 17:00:35 GMT -8
I would keep buying weapons and going to war. -blink- It's really that simple. |
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Post by Lestat de Lioncourt on Aug 16, 2009 17:07:11 GMT -8
I would keep buying weapons and going to war. -blink- It's really that simple. |
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Post by Tifereth on Aug 16, 2009 17:10:22 GMT -8
I'm being quoted for truth.
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Post by Lord Galamushi Dawn on Aug 16, 2009 18:59:07 GMT -8
You woke up one morning and found that you were unable to "Give Coin" to anyone in the city. Your funds were only available to you with no way to give coin to other vampires. I've wondered about this for some time, with so many vampires being caught passing coin unlawfully to thralls... Would you throw your toys out of the cot and leave the city? Would you lay off all your servants and face the economic crunch by buying less roses for your loved ones? Would the city become a less populated place? Less blue banks, a place where a vampire could stroll through the city streets without fear of being sucked dry at every turn as though he were walking through a mosquito infested swamp? No more city hits for coin ... would everyone just go insane and have a huge Holy Water fest and then stomp off to sulk? How would that affect war strategy in the city? What would you do - hypothetically speaking? I'd probably have all my slave buy weapons and kill stuff off with them. You of course would be the first target. Funny thing is thats what my slaves do anyways. |
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Post by Sorcha Dragolescu on Aug 16, 2009 23:37:17 GMT -8
What I would do? Go insane from boredom perhaps, because then we'd have even less fights than we do already. Very good point! On the whole though, I'm betting the idea of not being able to pass coin will be frowned upon in the city by those who are most blood thirsty. It would certainly have a far-reaching impact on how future wars are fought. Personally, I would not care in the least. It would do many vampires some good if they were forced to do all their work themselves instead of having thralls shuffle around and do everything for them. Do you use a map? LIAM, DAIM, excel based, web based? Do you go to a view in the dark to get shop or hunter locations for yourself or others? The COVE? FTA? When you weren't fully powered, did you receive guild locations...at all? It drives me CRAZY when whiny assed vampires (a general statement) sit on their high horse and bitch about working thralls as they sit with their fucking maps in their hand that were created due to working thralls while they go to Discount Magic, the location of which was found due to working thralls and go buy weapons with coin their mom and dad gave them, which was probably generated from a working thrall. So, a general message for all of you whining little bitches. Go fuck yourselves and get off our shops, guilds, hunter locations, and maps. Go map your own shit out and hunt for guilds with you yourself. Oh yeah, that's right. You really can't do that now, can you??? That's an excellent point too, Seyda, aside from all the profanity. Honestly though do you think everyone would stop employing thralls simply because they could not pass coin between them? I agree with you on the point that such servants really do help the population at large and don't get enough credit for it. Do you use a map? Do you go to a view in the dark to get shop or hunter locations for yourself or others? The COVE? FTA? When you weren't fully powered, did you receive guild locations...at all? Then please do us all a favor and pull your condescending head from your tight little sphincter. The mapping of this city, the shop locations, the guild locations....that all comes from the work of thralls. It drives me CRAZY when whiny assed vampires (a general statement) sit on their high horse and bitch about working thralls as they sit with their fucking maps in their hand that were created due to working thralls while they go to Discount Magic, the location of which was found due to working thralls and go buy weapons with coin their mom and dad gave them, which was probably generated from a working thrall. So, a general message for all of you whining little bitches. Go fuck yourselves and get off our shops, guilds, hunter locations, and maps. Go map your own shit out and hunt for guilds with you yourself. Oh yeah, that's right. You really can't do that now, can you??? In the situation posed by Sorcha, we are discussing only coin transfers; not thrall usage in general. Speaking of "high horses," you appear to have one as well. Or perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying. In my early months of the city, when I had no knowledge of anything, I began to create a map for my personal use. However, I soon found that there were already pre-existing maps, and thus my endeavor was tossed away; there was no need to continue. I would have indeed kept at it, if a map was unavailable to the masses. Yes, I do use thralls -- but to find things for other ungrateful vampires, and not to dishonorably inflate my own bank account. If you check A View In The Dark I often post the locations of guilds, shops, and vampire hunters. Not so much lately, but I have still listed almost six hundred entries. Can most others, including yourself, say the same? No. Again, we are speaking merely of the ability to pass coins around. If vampires did not have an obsession with being fully powered, it would be not be impossible for several to get together and find guild locations. Others could then fill in whatever shop locations remained. Thanks for pointing that out Upir, its only a hypothetical situation referring to coin transfers - just to spark an interesting debate, which it has. I'm pretty sure RavenBlack would never implement such a measure because, as Meph so eloquently put it, its a money spinner for him. You woke up one morning and found that you were unable to "Give Coin" to anyone in the city. Your funds were only available to you with no way to give coin to other vampires. I've wondered about this for some time, with so many vampires being caught passing coin unlawfully to thralls... Would you throw your toys out of the cot and leave the city? Would you lay off all your servants and face the economic crunch by buying less roses for your loved ones? Would the city become a less populated place? Less blue banks, a place where a vampire could stroll through the city streets without fear of being sucked dry at every turn as though he were walking through a mosquito infested swamp? No more city hits for coin ... would everyone just go insane and have a huge Holy Water fest and then stomp off to sulk? How would that affect war strategy in the city? What would you do - hypothetically speaking? I'd probably have all my slave buy weapons and kill stuff off with them. You of course would be the first target. Funny thing is thats what my slaves do anyways. ... and of all the responses yours was the most predictable. |
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Post by Brandi Stewart Reynolds on Aug 17, 2009 1:21:59 GMT -8
Hmmm - considering I have never been sent to the dungeon for passing coins, and I have used my minions, and myself, for shop finding, and guild finding, I find this very interesting.
I'm sure I'll hear a lot regarding my one night trip recently - but what actually happened is only known to me, my mother, brother and sister - tho Bug is also aware, unless others were somehow privy to our family meeting about it or saw they messages between myself and RB.
Also - for clans using minions - in the time I've been with OI, minions have never been part of the clan. Most have servants, or minions, but they have never been clan members. I don't believe Syph's does either.
Oh - and for what I'd do - I'd just go on as I'm doing now. War when needed and replace my weapons. I get my coins by myself. My momma has never given me coins and I don't expect her to.
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Post by seyda on Aug 17, 2009 3:29:18 GMT -8
Do you use a map? Do you go to a view in the dark to get shop or hunter locations for yourself or others? The COVE? FTA? When you weren't fully powered, did you receive guild locations...at all? Then please do us all a favor and pull your condescending head from your tight little sphincter. The mapping of this city, the shop locations, the guild locations....that all comes from the work of thralls. It drives me CRAZY when whiny assed vampires (a general statement) sit on their high horse and bitch about working thralls as they sit with their fucking maps in their hand that were created due to working thralls while they go to Discount Magic, the location of which was found due to working thralls and go buy weapons with coin their mom and dad gave them, which was probably generated from a working thrall. So, a general message for all of you whining little bitches. Go fuck yourselves and get off our shops, guilds, hunter locations, and maps. Go map your own shit out and hunt for guilds with you yourself. Oh yeah, that's right. You really can't do that now, can you??? In the situation posed by Sorcha, we are discussing only coin transfers; not thrall usage in general. Speaking of "high horses," you appear to have one as well. Or perhaps you misunderstood what I was saying. In my early months of the city, when I had no knowledge of anything, I began to create a map for my personal use. However, I soon found that there were already pre-existing maps, and thus my endeavor was tossed away; there was no need to continue. I would have indeed kept at it, if a map was unavailable to the masses. Yes, I do use thralls -- but to find things for other ungrateful vampires, and not to dishonorably inflate my own bank account. If you check A View In The Dark I often post the locations of guilds, shops, and vampire hunters. Not so much lately, but I have still listed almost six hundred entries. Can most others, including yourself, say the same? No. Again, we are speaking merely of the ability to pass coins around. If vampires did not have an obsession with being fully powered, it would be not be impossible for several to get together and find guild locations. Others could then fill in whatever shop locations remained. Well, my next question is going to be: why do you justify the use of thralls in some situations and condemn it in others? |
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Post by Silhouette on Aug 17, 2009 3:44:22 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure RavenBlack would never implement such a measure because, as Meph so eloquently put it, its a money spinner for him. Having no coin transfers wouldn't stop determined people from passing things along- they could still buy one of the inordinately priced gifts, pass it on then pawn it. While that's a waste with the pawn exchange, it may end up being a reasonable sacrifice for going to war by their own hand rather than as Galamushi piped in, by a servant's. (( Also: I can't say I've ever agreed with the portrayal of RavenBlack being a money grabbing fiend. Purely on the merit here, of him choosing to enforce his game rules with a real penalty, it seems to make him utterly dastardly. Do be serious. )) |
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Post by ◞◯◟ on Aug 17, 2009 7:02:02 GMT -8
Well, my next question is going to be: why do you justify the use of thralls in some situations and condemn it in others? I thought it was obvious. Having thralls do work such as run to pubs to find guilds or shops, or help others complete Charisma quests, is beneficial to the vampiric community as a whole. Using thralls to help satiate your own selfish greed is something else entirely, especially when all vampires are quite capable of collecting coin by themselves. If you need more coins so badly, run to your sire or partner and beg for it like the dog you are. Is that simple enough? Also note that each "you" is a general you. |
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Post by ophelia Lokason on Aug 17, 2009 7:11:32 GMT -8
I could care less whether or not vampires can give and receive coins. Of course that would make dipshits more inclined to use thralls to attack, so I guess I'd ask, which is the worse of the two?
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Post by ophelia Lokason on Aug 17, 2009 7:14:32 GMT -8
I don't think anyone here can have it both ways. You either find the use of thralls acceptable, though disagree and dislike the abuse that is rampant, or you do not find their use acceptable.
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Post by Archontohs on Aug 17, 2009 7:45:18 GMT -8
I thought it was obvious. Having thralls do work such as run to pubs to find guilds or shops, or help others complete Charisma quests, is beneficial to the vampiric community as a whole. Using thralls to help satiate your own selfish greed is something else entirely, especially when all vampires are quite capable of collecting coin by themselves. If you need more coins so badly, run to your sire or partner and beg for it like the dog you are. Is that simple enough? Also note that each "you" is a general you. When apparently vampires themselves are not capable of finding pubs, guilds, shops, and helping complete Charsima quests? It is the thralls work, because it is beneath the vampires... That is a bit close to being two faced... |
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Post by seyda on Aug 17, 2009 7:50:19 GMT -8
Well, my next question is going to be: why do you justify the use of thralls in some situations and condemn it in others? I thought it was obvious. Having thralls do work such as run to pubs to find guilds or shops, or help others complete Charisma quests, is beneficial to the vampiric community as a whole. Using thralls to help satiate your own selfish greed is something else entirely, especially when all vampires are quite capable of collecting coin by themselves. If you need more coins so badly, run to your sire or partner and beg for it like the dog you are. Is that simple enough? Also note that each "you" is a general you. Having thralls get pub locations, guild locations, or help complete charisma quests merely helps satiate the selfish greed of each vampire who refuses to go to the pub and get a location themselves, who refuses to ask a human where the guilds are, or refuses to do as the Charisma quests intends and go physically find vampires to help you. All vampires are capable of getting all of these locations by themselves if they need it. On the flip side, those that are running thralls for coin may not be running them for themselves. They could be running them to help benefit others that they care about, which would be beneficial to parts of the vampiric community. You must envision yourself some type of Robin Hood who feels that they are justified to break the rules if it's helping someone else. In my view, you're nothing more than a hypocrite. You can either justify the usage or condemn it. You can't hang your balls on the fence and pick the pieces you like and trash the stuff you don't. |
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Post by rel on Aug 17, 2009 8:16:53 GMT -8
I don't think there's anything wrong with having minions find shops or guilds. Never have. It's effective, it's accurate, and you don't have to rely on waiting for others what you can most certainly have done in house. They were turned for that reason, having their own coin and locations to do what they were created to do.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuure ya can get into vampire rights and I will let you, but I won't take your pamphlet. Well, fine I may take it but I won't read it. OKAY FINE, I'll read it! Pushy much?
Anywho - I have no idea why it's different than using them to hit for you, but it is. Or...it isn't but it's easier for lordie lord ravenblack to discover. Also, in my opinion, it makes you a pussy.
What was this topic about?
OH oh... coin transfers. Um... I think that Idony is kinda on the right track with all vampires having to take the responsibility of doing both, but there are always going to be some of us that actually get all jazzed up at the thought of shinies, or seeing that bright glow of a shop that is just discovered, or really wanting to know the entire line of a particular vampire. It's a calling, I guess.
Wait - that's not the topic either. DAMIT - okay listen lady, the whole wink wink, nudge nudge thing is awesome! I love it when others transfer, especially when I find out about it and can swoop in. OH MY LORD that's like crack. *blinks* is that not the topic either?
Okay i'm tired now...
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Post by hairbear on Aug 17, 2009 9:20:04 GMT -8
Thralls have their purpose in the city. To say that one serves a more noble purpose than another is hypocrisy, but then again this is RavenBlack City.
Whether they are created for coin, information, or pleasure, they were created to serve their masters to help achieve wealth, power and/or status.
Vince Lombardi once said, "If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?”
I mean honestly, isn't it about "the win" ?
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