Mephistophlese Sinclair
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?True leadership must be for the benefit of the followers, not the enrichment of the leaders.?
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Oct 21, 2009 19:10:59 GMT -8
Post by Mephistophlese Sinclair on Oct 21, 2009 19:10:59 GMT -8
A clan that is run by a dictator who has no respect for his fellow pire will attract other like minded clanmates. And this will manifest itself with bickering that can spiral out of control and lead to wasting resources. Chaotic behavior is a symptom of a lack of focus and discipline. Respect for the rule of law and your fellow pire will give a sense of direction and and foster comradery.
As far as I can tell "balance of power" is irrelevant. A clan becomes tier 1 because of lots of hard work and good leadership. A clan that has hard workers and poor leadership will tend to blow their wad at the first sign of conflict and thereby waste resources. A shared ethical philosophy will automatically draw like minded vampire clans together. And if they also share a common work ethic, they will slowly but surely rise above the fray.
In this city long gone is the feasibility of fighting ones way to the top. There are just too many pires for any clan or alliance to conquer all others. Civility and mutual respect are absolute prerequisites. But without hard work and focus, you can only get so far.
So sayeth the sacred scrolls *Bows*
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Oct 22, 2009 8:55:13 GMT -8
Post by black_dragonet on Oct 22, 2009 8:55:13 GMT -8
A clan that is run by a dictator who has no respect for his fellow pire will attract other like minded clanmates. And this will manifest itself with bickering that can spiral out of control and lead to wasting resources. Chaotic behavior is a symptom of a lack of focus and discipline. Respect for the rule of law and your fellow pire will give a sense of direction and and foster comradery. As far as I can tell "balance of power" is irrelevant. A clan becomes tier 1 because of lots of hard work and good leadership. A clan that has hard workers and poor leadership will tend to blow their wad at the first sign of conflict and thereby waste resources. A shared ethical philosophy will automatically draw like minded vampire clans together. And if they also share a common work ethic, they will slowly but surely rise above the fray. In this city long gone is the feasibility of fighting ones way to the top. There are just too many pires for any clan or alliance to conquer all others. Civility and mutual respect are absolute prerequisites. But without hard work and focus, you can only get so far. So sayeth the sacred scrolls *Bows* *bows* I totally agree with this, which I could have said myself, if you hadn't put it that eloquently before I could.
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Oct 22, 2009 10:35:56 GMT -8
Post by shaarinya on Oct 22, 2009 10:35:56 GMT -8
interesting reading here...
In regards to power changes in the city...I will direct you old timers to remember a place called 'The Shadow Court'.
and...a personal comment to ladypeacek...
clan killer! I was never a big fan of the fairymice, but you my dear, have no place to speak about what any clan should or should not do when you yourself managed to destroy a well oiled machine that worked for eons before your 'rise' to leadership. You single handedly made the clan a laughing stock with your 'less than adequate' leadership abilities. Go back to your bedroom, it's about all you can do properly.
~waves to the Seyda troll~
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Oct 22, 2009 13:45:18 GMT -8
Post by ladypeacek on Oct 22, 2009 13:45:18 GMT -8
You know what shaar...Fuck off. I made mistakes and yeah maybe I wasn't always the best damned leader...I have no issue admiting that. I never claimed to be anything of the sort, either. But as for a well-oiled machine...you got no fucking clue. If it was so well oiled, Hesu wouldn't have needed to come discussing things with ME, still in corridor, because I was the only damned life to be found in those walls for months. (And mind you, Hesu was NOT my sire at the time...it's actually how I came to be sired by her)
So yeah, maybe I wasnt the best thing that ever happened to it, but I sure as hell did more for it than anyone expected and I kept it going, full and active...something I DID manage to achieve...so kiss my ass with your crap clan.
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Oct 22, 2009 14:07:13 GMT -8
Post by Rodargo on Oct 22, 2009 14:07:13 GMT -8
If it was so well oiled, Hesu wouldn't have needed to come discussing things with ME, still in corridor, because I was the only damned life to be found in those walls for months. (And mind you, Hesu was NOT my sire at the time...it's actually how I came to be sired by her) May I request you specify which timeframe you're speaking of with this comment. I'm curious, Pea.
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vamps
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Oct 22, 2009 14:53:34 GMT -8
Post by vamps on Oct 22, 2009 14:53:34 GMT -8
interesting reading here... In regards to power changes in the city...I will direct you old timers to remember a place called 'The Shadow Court'. Those of us who spent years there, as well as a few of the original members, leaders, and creators who still remain will always look back fondly on our time there. The only warring clan that was NEVER defeated. And ohhhh what some wars we fought. As I think back on those times, it becomes seemingly more apparent that he city just might very well be in need of .... something.
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Oct 22, 2009 20:46:02 GMT -8
Post by shaarinya on Oct 22, 2009 20:46:02 GMT -8
You know what shaar...blah blah, blahbibity blah blah My dear..here is a free history lesson for you. When I came to this fine city, I was a member of The House of Heorot, who was part of a formidable alliance...Heorot, the Capadocians, the REAL Caps, and the Ferrymen. There was NOTHING that could stand up to that alliance and not fall down. The Ferrymen of those days, well, was damn awesome. Then, like all empires eventually do, it broke apart. You never understood what you had in your hands when it was foolishly given to you. You never understood the history and pride that that name carried. It was all just... 'convenient' for you. And I don't believe for a minute Hesu came to you. To put it bluntly, she was a mean mo'fo who ran her clan with a iron fist as far as the 'outside' world was concerned. ...a side note...such the potty mouth! it's not very becoming of you
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Oct 23, 2009 4:30:40 GMT -8
Post by Delphine on Oct 23, 2009 4:30:40 GMT -8
I miss Hesu. Man, she was awesome.
carry on..
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Henry Key
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Oct 23, 2009 6:14:35 GMT -8
Post by Henry Key on Oct 23, 2009 6:14:35 GMT -8
this thread is now about cheese
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Oct 23, 2009 9:30:41 GMT -8
Post by black_dragonet on Oct 23, 2009 9:30:41 GMT -8
I miss Hesu. Man, she was awesome. carry on.. *nods* I miss her dearly too. She helped me become who I am.
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Damari
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Oct 23, 2009 12:19:48 GMT -8
Post by Damari on Oct 23, 2009 12:19:48 GMT -8
Ummm *eyes Rodargo*
While I certainly don't remember p being referred to by alliance leaders when she was in the Corridor. I do remember coming back from my ~Silence, being thrown in as Lanistra to faciliate communication because The Ferrymen Leadership a) probably had no idea what to do with me and b) weren't around much.
At THAT point I saw that not much was going on by way of active, interested leadership and the upper ranks were filled with bored ancients who weren't putting in the time to see the clan grow and develop.
Let me see at that point they'd kicked out two leaders, namely Amaranthe & Juddin and they'd managed to alienate at that point all the D'dary that had come for whatever reason (which may have had grounds for some reasons beyond my understanding since I was silent at the time)
And then p took over.
At least she was around. Can't say the same for Jean, Rod or Vella at that time. Long stretches where no one could get in touch with any of them for any reason. P back when there was meant to be a Stygian was running shit on her own.
Then she made the horrendous mistake of seeing Cerridwen's point over mine. I was right to tell her Vella needed to go because she was rotting at the top and making bad decisions. I was also right at the time to tell her Jean also needed to go because love him to bits, he was doing nothing at the top. Lots and lots of absolutely nothing.
And I was doubly right to tell her Cerridwen needed to go.
I remember when The Ferrymen were a part of the alliance. We were the ugly, poor step cousin to the more well oiled machines of the other clans. Less leadership, less active membership and quite frankly I talked to Hesu & Seyda more than my leaders did and if you know me you'll know how telling that is.
It''s why me and Seydee over there are such good buddies.
From the very beginning there was always something fundamentally wrong with how The Ferrymen were run. Even way back as Lucius when I first joined that clan. Maybe it was their reputation that kept them going. I don' t know.
But for a while there I had hopes that The Ferrymen would gain back a portion of their reputation when Ravana took them on, but even he fell by the wayside of apathy. Maybe that's real Ferrymen Legacy. If you stay there. You'll eventually die and leave the city.
God I do go on.
*sighs* Ladyp.... you should never have kicked me out. That, darling was a mistake on your part. But to be honest, it was my saving grace. If you hadn't made the choice to do it. I would probably already be dead and buried by now.
I have found by comparison to The Ferrymen a clan that is well run, with interested active and giving leaders who, while they don't always agree with who I am, suck up a great dose of my shit and give me space to be me. It is an pleasure to be in RoR. It is now, home.
It was something I have found for the first time in this city.
You BIGGEST fucking mistake back then, was letting me get kicked out
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Oct 24, 2009 5:23:52 GMT -8
Post by seyda on Oct 24, 2009 5:23:52 GMT -8
RoD -- she's referencing the period of time that you were Arbiter, but were called into other realms.
Pea -- Hesu did not talk to you because you were only active member of Ferrymen that she could find. Hesu spoke to you because she and I had the foresight to see that Vella had gone insane (while ultimately led to Sartori leaving the Ferrymen and putting all his focus into D'dary), Rodargo was dealing with other matters, and that Jean was doing nothing (other than letting Cerridwen fuck him up the ladder, apparently). We had the foresight to see that they'd never promote Damari because of Lucius and that you were the only option as successor that Ferry had. Hesu came to talk to you to try and ensure that we had a relationship with the future leader of the clan we were allied with. She won that job because she actually believed that you would keep the Ferrymen's best interests in your forethoughts; I would not do it because I did not believe in you. So, when you did all the stuff you did, you betrayed Hesu, but you proved me right.
As far as what Damari is saying, she is speaking truth. Is she a pain in the ass? Absolutely. But she was more than aware of the problems of the Ferrymen and she had no problem bringing it to leadership attention. As far as her Lanistra position was concerned, she was THE most professional vampire in the Ferrymen at the time as far as getting their job duties completed, hands down. And when the Ferry leadership decided that they didn't care what their membership thought and threw her out, I pounced on Damari as fast as I could. When you have a vampire that can separate their personal lives and their professional lives in such a manner, you're stupid to let them walk. But, the Ferry I'm sure felt they gained by the maneuver, and I KNOW RoR gained. So yeeeey.
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Oct 24, 2009 7:32:22 GMT -8
Post by Rodargo on Oct 24, 2009 7:32:22 GMT -8
First off Rienhardt....it was a good thread and a good point made. I'm apologizing in advance your first soapbox got sliiiiiiiiiiiightly sidetracked into a matter which involves myself amongst a number of others. A matter which is going on near 3 years ago, and I've tried moving forward from.
However....when I see, even amongst some loved ones here in this thread, some inaccuracies in facts.....I feel the need to present my flip of the coin, so to speak....
With that said, in no particular and/or chronological order....
I will first say the Inner Council strategy the Ferrymen used....which I was part of, simply did NOT work. Especially when all actions or decisions must be agreed upon by 3 or 4 individuals before ANYTHING could happen.
I had my times of being unavailable, sure. Some will perceive that statement to be more or less true. But I was easily the most available amongst the three of us....that being myself, Jean, and Vella. Prior to my stint to Hades, we appointed Cerridwen as a 4th member of Inner Council. She was highly active and had some great ideas at the time.......Ultimately, I entrusted her....and apparently it backfired on me.....
The biggest problem was.....when we had 3 leaders whom had to make the decisions....and all 3 had varying schedules and availability.....It was like pulling teeth to get something established. I will admit that. So it made my job all the more difficult and frustrating.
Making this Alliance with RoR and SiE was something Lucius told me himself he wanted to happen......And I felt combining forces with SiE and RoR was a damned good idea. I felt the Caps and HoH did not treat the Ferrymen with an equal respect.....so for me, it was a no-brainer for the Ferrymen's best interests.
At the time upon the Alliance forming....I was much closer to Hesu than Seyda......Seyda and I took a little while longer to become acclamated....and I felt we developed a pretty solid bond prior to my departure to Hades.....ESPECIALLY since Seyda granted me the oh-so-grand priviledge to put the Zero on a common enemy of ours........Which, well.....stole a kill away from HoH too I believe. LOL
I left for my hiatus on 01April2007....I did so for the Ferrymen's best interests because I simply couldn't hold the reigns anymore. I acknowledged my limited availability to lead, as well, as had my calling to serve Hades himself. So I moved on....for the best interests of the Ferry.
When I returned.....I was greatly disappointed to see the Alliance with SiE and RoR had been broken. In fact, rather pissed off about it. That's all I'm going to elaborate on that topic....
The D'darys left in November 2006....Sartori felt he was disrespected by Ferrymen leadership for not being acknowledged for his part in creating the Alliance with SiE/RoR/Ferrymen. And his basis for this was from a conversation that took place between On-da-g and Hesu (two individuals not part of the Ferrymen at the time of this conversation)....where On-da-g said her son was the reason behind the Alliance forming, and Hesu stating he was not.
Apparently his translation from that conversation was Ferrymen leadership didn't respect him.....Which couldn't be further from the truth. Subsequently and naturally, his family followed him.......which led to the House of D'dary being formed shortly after.
*eyes Damari's comment and snickers* And don't EVEN get me started on Am and Juddin. I only won't because I love you Mumsy. LOL
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Oct 24, 2009 8:27:27 GMT -8
Post by vermathraxrex on Oct 24, 2009 8:27:27 GMT -8
This is all very enlightening, I am sure. But when does this subject slip back into a general overview and not specific details about one particular situation?
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seyda
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Oct 24, 2009 13:39:46 GMT -8
Post by seyda on Oct 24, 2009 13:39:46 GMT -8
Well, Dragon, we could talk about your empire...or your plans to take down one. Or is that not general enough?
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