Siring?

[Frozen Nova]

Mm, how should I start this...

Well, I just recently severed a childe. It was by my own decision, sadly, as I was only in contact with her recently via a friend of mine and my sad attempt of telepathy. She had no idea that I was severing her until I sent her that messege and ran into the Halls. Obviously, I thought out reasons why I thought I wasn’t a good sire to her, and why she wasn’t the childe for me:
She was barely listening, she wasn’t on very often, and, when she did attempt to pay attention, she would simply not understand a word of what I was saying.

I also figured just before I let her go that the girl that I plan on siring the moment I am fully powered has learned a lot more in just a week of me teaching her that my other childe had under my wing. Yes, it is partially my fault, but it is not when the childe will not listen and blatantly ignore something that I am trying to teach them.

Most view a sire as a more of a mentor or a teacher. They teach them how to get powers, how to battle, and etiquette. Some view being a sire as more of a “oh, yer mah bby boi!” type of thing, not teaching them much at all but letting them grow on their own, feeding off others other than themselves. Others, maybe more than I realize view siring the same as I do; a mix of both mentor and parent.

I think teaching ones childe to the best of one’s ability isn’t the most important. Teaching the childe personal lessons to make them better vampires for –themselves- I believe is the most important. And now I’m just wondering about what you guys feel about your siring and such.

[Nara Monaghan-Lokason]

My first sire was the one that brought me into Ravenblack City. Bryteblayd was a around quite a bit at the start but within a few months of my being in the city he'd faded into almost permanent shadows. Only coming out when our clan needed him to be there.

I learned most of my skills and etiquette from my first partner-bound ghostlady and my great-great grandsire jam. The rest I learned along the way by watching those they'd pointed out as ones to respect within the city walls. My sire severed me the day after my binding because I made choices that they did not agree with.

My current sire, ophelia (who totally ricks by the way), was a mutual decision based on a lot of things. I think of her as more of a sire than my former sire, because I'm closer to her and I made the choice to be her childe. And I adore my huge family.

~Nara

[CG Dragonfly]

Hmmm... with my first sire, Dilectus, it just didn't work out cuz of various factors. We're still friends though. ;D

My current sire, melkya, fits with me much better and is just as off the wall as me, though knowing when to be serious. Backs me up n defends me when need be. All around great sire.

With my childer, I expect them to know how to take care of themselves. Understand that I will stand by them, support them through their choices, but I will not coddle them. They screw-up, they need to deal with the consequences. Only lost one childe cuz she made the choice to move on, see where she could go without me.

For me, as sire or childe, it's about respect as well as mature behavior. ;D

[Mephistophlese Sinclair]

I know many who sire total strangers just to have another succour point for battle. And it's these same sires that refuse to sever a chylde just because they don't want to lose that control. Before you sire a chylde, you should know the vampyre well. Meeting someone and sireing them a week later is pretty disgusting in my eyes. Taking on a chylde is a very serious undertaking. You owe it to yourself and the chylde to have a special bond, not the usual, "Hey I like you and you don't have a sire. Do you wanna be my kid?". I've seen that happen more times than I can count. I have had 3 sires in my time in this City. My 1st Sire taught me many things, but I felt like I was only being taught things so that I could help him. Not to make me a better pyre. My 2nd sire left the city just a month or so after Siring me. She was great. She showed me love, but she didn't teach me anything. My 3rd Sire was nothing but a succour point. She wanted chylder that could follow her and I just figured why waste teles, right? WRONG!!! My 3rd sire didn't teach me anything. The whole time she was my sire, I never looked up to her in any way shape or form. In all actuality, I sorta looked down to her. I had very little respect for her. I didn't see anything about her that I wanted to emulate. In my eyes, I was the wiser and more thoughtfull. I have a 4th Sire already chosen, but I still gotta get my own shit together before I am ready to go forward and get sired. If the situation were reversed, I would want to make sure that any potential Chylde was free of any excess baggage.

[Do Not PM this Account.]

When I took a sire, I was really unsure of what to expect. I'd seen very many people calling theirs "mommy" and "daddy" and being affectionate little buggers with them. I asked Andre to wait a long while before I sired under him, basically to get to know him and gain an understanding of how our bond would work. Obviously, Andre is not a "daddy" to me, and never will be. I had parents before I was embraced, and they will stay that way.

I've learned very much under his guidance in the last 7 months, and I hope to continue to learn as time goes on. There is still a lot I have to learn, about myself as a childe, a warrior, and a vampire. I can't honestly see anyone other than Andre teaching me. We have remarkable similarities and some really ridiculous differences, and I think that's what makes me comfortable where I am. I used to think that I needed more attention and affection from him, but then I realized that I was learning much more with our relationship as it stands and I wouldn't be learning as much were I coddled and not pushed out into the world.

I now have my first childe, who is fully powered and much more like a close, respected friend in my bloodline than he ever will be a son. I don't need to discipline him or tell him what to do or what not to do. I don't need to give him money for powers or (god forbid) get his powers for him because he's incapable of doing it himself. He's not a childe I met in the ghettos, who would maybe never leave, but a well-spoken, opinionated individual that I came into contact with over a mutual dislike of another person. ;D I care for him dearly and I'm proud to have him in my line. When I sire another person, perhaps and individual I'd have to mold from the ground up, I'd probably expect them to grow and learn how Andre taught me. On their own, with their own motivation. Of course, I would be affectionate and attentive, but I refuse to coddle my current and potential childer and enable them in dangerous habits. My current childe is a sire himself, and one of his childer is also a sire.

I -am- struggling with the fact that I became a great-grandsire in one fell swoop, but I'm even starting to adjust with Napo calling me "grandmama". I don't feel like I'm her grandmother, but I care for her and if she reaps comfort from the nickname, then it's alright with me. Being a "grandmama" to my childe's childer doesn't mean I'm going to bring them all to my home on Christmas and bake them milk and cookies and let them sleep in the front room under the tree so they can wake and see what Santa bought them. It is a moniker, and a position within a line, not necessarily a way of behavior for me. I make jokes about being "old", but they are just that. Jokes.

I think a sire should be more of a mentor than a parent. I'm not saying that a sire cannot be a balance of the two and have that formula work just fine, but we are all adult (or nearly adult) vampires who have lived for much longer than our outward appearance would hint to. We should not be breeding petulant children who cannot live sufficiently on their own without the say-so of their sire at every move.

I also feel that if you sire a childe, YOU should be the one teaching them, not your sire or your friends. I know of several people who have not taught their childer a single thing, instead letting their sire or friends handle the guidance aspect while they themselves are the cuddly parent, who does nothing but comfort and snuggle their childer without accepting the hard work of raising the newly embraced.

In the words of Jaenelle: Childer are for life, not for Christmas.

That's my .02.

[Blade]

My first sire was Aarkan, and he taught me the basics of life in Ravenblack. But he was still learning certain things himself and eventually I wanted to learn more. About 7 months after he sired me, he found out that I was considering severance and severed me instantly.

Then Ace sired me and with him, I learned the most. I never thought of him as a 'father', but simply as a close friend whose knowledge rubbed off on me. Once I severed him, I decided on b because I respected her and her line enough to want to be a part of it.

I've sired a few people, my first being Daly. He was a good friend and I sired him to teach him what he wanted to know. He also convinced me to sire Uriah for the same reason. Jaenelle already knew a lot when we met, and I sired her due to our friendship. The same was with Irk, Alastair, and Silhouette.

Now I have Lionsheart, who knows as much as I do and has been around for longer. He's one of my best friends and I respect and love him more than anything. For most of my childer, I was a friend and a mentor, and only Jaenelle and Uriah playfully called me anything along the lines of 'mother'.

I only sire if I think the respect is mutual and that a strong bond can either be formed or nurtured between my childe and I. I expect them to take care of themselves, but not to get mad if I demand a hug every now and then.

Ramble done now. ;x

[Elektra]

Nems was the first vampiress I met in the city. She taught me so many things... Without her, I wouldn't be here today. We've always had that bond, even before the halls were built, she treated me like a daughter. Eventually she sired me. Not that anything was different after that. I always was her girl. And still am.

Poo... He's a mentor, I'm still learning from him, and he learns from me too, amazingly. LOL. In return, he lets me abuse him with love. I respect him, I love him, and I'll never refer to him as a parental figure, but he's one of a handful who's been proven to be true. And no one should joke about stealing me away. <.< He gets twitchy.

I don't sire random people. Simple as that. I don't even sire people I know. I sire people I care about, adore to bits, those who are loyal to the line. Being a perfectionist, I have high expectations of my childer, so I guess that's why I only have Jae at the moment. She's amazing, our bond goes beyond just sire and childe and it shows. Love you, babeh.

[Lestat de Lioncourt]

Ahem... prepare for the bloodworks

Murrz Ramirez was, is, and will always be my sire. He taught me how to fight, how the weapons work, the science behind them. He's my sire, my mentor, and my father. Without his guiding hand in Seraphim, and his faith in me as an individual, I wouldn't be where I am today.

You just don't turn your back on that kind of stuff.

I've taken a few childer on to teach... I quickly realised then, why I hate teaching so very, very much. To me, you do mentor childer, and stand by them as they become the best they can, but to do so, you must first respect each other. I respect both my childer as vampires, and they respect me as their sire, leader, friend, whathaveyou.

I wouldn't want it any other way.

[Bug Merovingian]

I feel the whole mommy/daddy issue is a personal one to be decided upon by the parties involved. I refer to my childe as "daughter" and she calls me "dad" or "daddy". I would most likely have an issue with a male 'pire calling me "daddy". I'm a hypocrite, I know, but I am ok with that. I don't require any to grant me familial titles. If they do, that's fine. If they don't, that's fine too.

In all honesty, my childe and I knew each other for quite sometime before we discussed siring. She did all of her work herself but, I was there to answer questions, guide, and give advice as she needed. Now that she is fully powered, she has fewer questions, but the ones she asks now take longer to answer. She pushes me and I, in turn, push her to go further as well.

As to me, being a childe; I came to this city due to a random turning. I tried speaking with my initial sire to no avail. I knew nothing other than what information I found on my own. I was nearly fully powered before I met Gevurah. He and I hit it off. We had many long talks about various subjects and, it was after I joined OI, we then spoke about siring. I didn't have the means to sever myself without impoverishing myself, so with a little help my former sire was convinced to sever me from his line. That was the only time he had ever spoken to me. He told me the severance was done and wished me luck. For his severing me I am grateful, but other than saving me the costs of the severance, he had done nothing for me. Gevurah, on the other hand, has taught me much, and is always ready to listen to what I have to say.

[Boomerangele]

MOSTLY OOC - deal with it -

I use my biter link to bring people into the game, usually from other games that I play or 360. For the most part I would prefer to bring in new people to the game than sire those already here simply because these are people I already enjoy. About half my childe come from that form of siring. Those childe get a lot of attention in game mechanics and basics. Sometimes they stay in the game, sometimes they hate it to pieces and die off. I write a siring piece for each of them and the ones who die off get a death role play. It gives me something to write about. None of them, however, seem interested in the roleplay aspect of the game, even if they do enjoy their own stories.

Then I have a few Solars and they are for the most part sleepers and again, not interested in the roleplay aspects of the game.

I also have a few alt/clone type childer, like Torch, who only exists so that someone else can't take the name and be stupid with it.

So really, the only childer I have that is a member of the community that you would recognize is Koz. He decided to sire under after he had all his powers and was already well-known in the City, so the relationship was hardly one of being a teacher. It does crack me up when he calls me, "Mah."

I have no interest in trolling the suburbs or ghettos for childer. I offer no succour advantage and do not war, so siring to me gains one nothing. So to me it has to be a matter of a personal relationship and those form slowly.

As for my personal experiences, I was brought to the game by someone I knew from another game (my battle buddy in Neopets.) He quit the game and disappeared. I sired under XXXshadowXXX who was a mentor to me, albeit an insane one. I left him when I felt he left the game. I am now sired under The Sun, figurative leader of The Sun Clan (duh!), since I respect what he started with the clan and because it seemed appropriate for at least one of the chancellors to be related to him and carry the lineage. It also made more sense for someone like me to have a sire with my clan so that I was not dragged into war by the actions of my sire.

And you thought YOU rambled... No, I win.

[Rena]

My sire is sexy. So I eloped with him. >.>
As for my childer, I sired them both after they were fully powered and already had a lot of battle experience, so there wasn't really much left to "teach", persay. I did turn two humans, at different points in time, but both fell into permanent shadows ages ago, so I dun think I'll be trying that again...

[seyda]

I've had two sires, the one who brought me to this city and left me, and then so i did him. We fell out, she severed me and went dead and buried, and I've been a mastah ever since. After having two not so fun siring experiences, it'll be a cold day in hell before I take another one.

As far as my kiddos are concerned, they are all cool and kick ten major types of ass. As such, any other people who would become a kiddo would also need to be cool and kick ten major types of ass.

People, that is all.

[Genevive Sinclair]

starreagle was my first and possibly only sire. I think I kinda chose her...or maybe it was mutual. I don't really remember, it was over 2 years ago that we met. But she didn't sire me right away. I think it was a few months short of my one year mark in the city when she sired me. So she took her time and got to know me better. She was/is a great mentor and mother. She and Gevurah taught me a lot and I appreciate it...whether they think I do or not. They take an active interest in all of their childer's unlives. And communicate as much as possible. In my opinion that's a big key to a successful sire/childer relationship. Gotta keep those lines of communication open. Personally,I think I'm a bit too anti-social to do the whole huge family thing. I only have one childe... and right now, that is enough for me. She and I talk everyday, and I hope I have been able to teach her a thing or two.

[Toshiya Marcellus]

Seppuku was the first vampire I met. And to tell the truth, he wasn't very nice. But eventually I grew on him...along with the nickname 'Puku-chan'. And eventually I came to view him as a role model, my best friend and father figure. He pushes me to become stronger and even if he doesn't say so, I know when he's proud of me. When he asked me to be his childe...It was definately the happiest day of my unlife and I can't think of anyone else I would prefer to be my sire.

As for childer, I tend to spoil them from what I'm told. I try my best to not forget things that they need to know but I'm still new at this siring thing. So I'm learning what not to do and what to expect when the next childe comes along.

~Toshiya

[Nghthawk]

Jul 1, 2008 11:44:07 GMT -8 Mephistophlese Sinclair said:

In my eyes, I was the wiser and more thoughtfull.

That's a good part of your problem, Meph, with both sires and clans. Everything is through your eyes, through your preconceived notions. Perhaps if you actually opened your eyes and tried to see, you'd realize just how many incredible opportunities you've screwed up already.