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Jul 1, 2008 20:33:10 GMT -8
Post by vermathraxrex on Jul 1, 2008 20:33:10 GMT -8
I have a 4th Sire already chosen, but I still gotta get my own shit together before I am ready to go forward and get sired. If the situation were reversed, I would want to make sure that any potential Chylde was free of any excess baggage. Speaking of baggage- *cracks up* Who is number 4 so we can warn them to have closet space for all your....stuff.
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Post by nitenurse on Jul 2, 2008 6:31:48 GMT -8
I've had two sires... the one who brought me to the city and dumped me off to find my own way (but did respond when I got in touch with her later... when I wanted to be severed) and the one who had been a true mentor.
I responded to a random clan recruitment invitation in August 2004 and learned how to get powered within the clan. I was fully powered when Seyda sired me... what I got was support and encouragement personally/ professionally and the ability to learn more than the basics.
Those that I've sired have also been fully powered and a bit independent and full clan members. Call me prejudiced but the clan occupies a great deal of my time and energy, and my childer need to understand that.
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Post by Errah Dragolescu on Jul 2, 2008 8:25:24 GMT -8
...What kind of idiot sires under someone they don't respect? Oh wait........
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Starr was is my first sire, other than RB, and she'll probably be my ONLY sire.
I respect Starr far more than I have words for. I was deeply honored and awed that she accepted my request to sire under her. I knew her many months as a teacher and clan leader before we made the trip to the HoB, and thus, i had gained a huge respect for her professionally speaking.
She is my guide and mentor, my example to follow in all things, but she's not my security blanket or plastic bubble which protects me from the world. She is patient always and firm when she needs to be. And she is, above all, loving and understanding. She has shown me how to be a good sire to my own childe, and what to look for should I desire to take future childer under my wing.
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Mephistophlese Sinclair
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Jul 2, 2008 14:56:54 GMT -8
Post by Mephistophlese Sinclair on Jul 2, 2008 14:56:54 GMT -8
In my eyes, I was the wiser and more thoughtfull. That's a good part of your problem, Meph, with both sires and clans. Everything is through your eyes, through your preconceived notions. Perhaps if you actually opened your eyes and tried to see, you'd realize just how many incredible opportunities you've screwed up already. Well who's eyes am I supposed to see things through Oh enlightened one? Just because you have your nose so far up your Sires ass that you can see through their eyes literally, doesn't mean that's the right thing for me. I have a 4th Sire already chosen, but I still gotta get my own shit together before I am ready to go forward and get sired. If the situation were reversed, I would want to make sure that any potential Chylde was free of any excess baggage. Speaking of baggage- *cracks up* Who is number 4 so we can warn them to have closet space for all your....stuff. If you had taken the time to read and comprehend the words rather than just see who made the post, you would realize that I already stated I needed to get my shit together first. But thanx for your concern. ...What kind of idiot sires under someone they don't respect? Oh wait........ When I sired under her, I did have respect for her. It was after we started to work together that I realized that she wasn't the wise pyre that I had previously beLIEved her to be. So just baaaaaa... cough, OK?
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Jul 2, 2008 17:15:20 GMT -8
Post by Nghthawk on Jul 2, 2008 17:15:20 GMT -8
Well who's eyes am I supposed to see things through Oh enlightened one? Just because you have your nose so far up your Sires ass that you can see through their eyes literally, doesn't mean that's the right thing for me. Do you even have the slightest idea of just what *is* the right thing for you? After three different sires and three different clans (It is three clans, so far, isn't it?) don't you think that, just maybe, you should be looking at what was the common denominator in all of these relationships? Maybe the problem has been you all along? Or maybe you just have poor judgement when it comes to these sorts of choices?
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Jul 2, 2008 17:38:02 GMT -8
Post by vermathraxrex on Jul 2, 2008 17:38:02 GMT -8
(quote)If you had taken the time to read and comprehend the words rather than just see who made the post, you would realize that I already stated I needed to get my shit together first. But thanx for your concern.(end quote)
Pardom me, but I did read it well and do belive I get the message. All I am saying is whit habits as large as yours, there is still gonna be a ton of Samsonite being dragged behind you when you get to your new sire's house.
Interesting words you hand to Nghthawk as well. You forget I saw you in discussions with your former sire-good and bad. If you despised her as much as you are claiming now, then the respect you showed before while being part of her clan was a lie. I say let any new potential sire take note of how you are and think hard before taking you in. In some cases, being someone's sire is a matter of two way trust-a quality you appear to be very lacking in.
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Mephistophlese Sinclair
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Jul 2, 2008 18:50:05 GMT -8
Post by Mephistophlese Sinclair on Jul 2, 2008 18:50:05 GMT -8
Well who's eyes am I supposed to see things through Oh enlightened one? Just because you have your nose so far up your Sires ass that you can see through their eyes literally, doesn't mean that's the right thing for me. Do you even have the slightest idea of just what *is* the right thing for you? After three different sires and three different clans (It is three clans, so far, isn't it?) don't you think that, just maybe, you should be looking at what was the common denominator in all of these relationships? Maybe the problem has been you all along? Or maybe you just have poor judgement when it comes to these sorts of choices? I really do not beLIEve it is appropriate to air dirty laundry in the papers. However, since it is the modus operendi of OI, here goes. I severed Gev when I realized that he was not concerned with me being abused by the staff at OI. I was slapped by Kilain, even though the rules that she herself posted said that I was not to be abused or belittled. If a mutherfucker writes the rules and then they break them, then I'm gonna get a bit steamed. (quote)If you had taken the time to read and comprehend the words rather than just see who made the post, you would realize that I already stated I needed to get my shit together first. But thanx for your concern.(end quote) Pardom me, but I did read it well and do belive I get the message. All I am saying is whit habits as large as yours, there is still gonna be a ton of Samsonite being dragged behind you when you get to your new sire's house. Interesting words you hand to Nghthawk as well. You forget I saw you in discussions with your former sire-good and bad. If you despised her as much as you are claiming now, then the respect you showed before while being part of her clan was a lie. I say let any new potential sire take note of how you are and think hard before taking you in. In some cases, being someone's sire is a matter of two way trust-a quality you appear to be very lacking in. Sorry V, but I never said I despised her. I just didn't respect her. And as far as the two way trust goes... It was my sire that seemed to think I didn't need to know about her personal guardian. Oh, and the fact that she bought into the idea that I wanted to run her Clan. Pfft... Dude, I dreaded the idea of her leaving the Clan both times she brought it up in the mere 3 months she was the leader. I didn't want that fucking job. And ya know... When She said one thing then did something else... Well... Lets just say that it wouldn't be prudent to trust someone who can't be true to their own word.
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Jul 2, 2008 19:22:00 GMT -8
Post by Louvain on Jul 2, 2008 19:22:00 GMT -8
I believe a sire should be a friend, and a teacher. They can be closer to a parental figure, though I've never felt particularly like Sartori is my dad, nor did I ever feel like Lyric was my mom. Sires are much more like friends that teach you, in my humble opinion.
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Jul 2, 2008 19:38:30 GMT -8
Post by Nghthawk on Jul 2, 2008 19:38:30 GMT -8
Do you even have the slightest idea of just what *is* the right thing for you? After three different sires and three different clans (It is three clans, so far, isn't it?) don't you think that, just maybe, you should be looking at what was the common denominator in all of these relationships? Maybe the problem has been you all along? Or maybe you just have poor judgement when it comes to these sorts of choices? I really do not beLIEve it is appropriate to air dirty laundry in the papers. However, since it is the modus operendi of OI, here goes. I severed Gev when I realized that he was not concerned with me being abused by the staff at OI. I was slapped by Kilain, even though the rules that she herself posted said that I was not to be abused or belittled. If a mutherfucker writes the rules and then they break them, then I'm gonna get a bit steamed. Dirty laundry? I don't recall naming any names, Meph. That was you. And ya know... When She said one thing then did something else... Well... Lets just say that it wouldn't be prudent to trust someone who can't be true to their own word. Does the same go for someone who says one thing and then says something different when convenient? Because what you say about Gevurah here doesn't exactly jive with your initial post in this thread. My 1st Sire taught me many things, but I felt like I was only being taught things so that I could help him. Not to make me a better pyre. And whether the things you were taught helped him or not, you don't think that the knowledge you gained made you a better 'pire? Or is knowledge just wasted on you?
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Vella
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Jul 3, 2008 23:16:19 GMT -8
Post by Vella on Jul 3, 2008 23:16:19 GMT -8
My first sire was Kevan, which was a biter link into this world about 5 and a half years ago. Think he was RavenBlack but he never communicated with any of his childer and I severed him.
Second was Lucius and he wanted to sire me. This is when he had come back as "Shining Host", I was in TF and very loyal to the cause etc. He severed me but as to why, I have no idea and none was given. It was a sense of relief in any case.
My sire now is Rena. This was the last person I expected to have come along at that point in my game and wanting to sire me. I was on the verge of leaving the game.
I've known Rena for a long time. I respect the hell out of her for innumerable reasons. She's the type of Sire that never leaves one hanging and if you need her, you got her. The best decision I made in a long while.
Childer...I have never made or sought one out. I do have one that joined under my link and they are a friend in the game that I've known for ever. The relationship is that of a very close friend and we act independantly of each other.
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Jul 4, 2008 10:40:42 GMT -8
Post by Katastrophe St. John-Talon on Jul 4, 2008 10:40:42 GMT -8
After the mishap of my initially choosing a sire, I still managed to end up with the perfect one for me... catch that now, perfect one for me.
It's the reason why I'm unsure that I'll ever take another sire. It was perfect and served the purpose it needed to. Does that mean that I think I don't have more to learn? Fuck no. ((Please tell me that my character can swear on here.))
I know that I am by no means an elder within this city, nor do I pretend to be one. But this was a necessary step that I felt needed to happen along my chosen path. Lestat also felt that I could learn more elsewhere, though I'm not sure why, because he's an extraordinary teacher, and I'd recommend him to anyone looking for a decent sire. So, for now, at the very least, I'll remain sireless.
One of the biggest reasons being that I don't know that I could ever love and respect someone as much as I do Lestat and have it also be the perfect fit that he and I were as sire and childe. I'll compare everyone to him and hold what we once had in my heart and mind as the standard that every possible sire will have to measure up to.
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Vella
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Jul 4, 2008 22:59:20 GMT -8
Post by Vella on Jul 4, 2008 22:59:20 GMT -8
I completely understand where you're coming from Kat. So many have a sire for the wrong reasons. Either because they feel they must have one at all times or wanting the most popular flavor at the moment, etc.
For me, a sire carries the same importance as a partner and it has to be someone that I respect. Sure, shit happens and many of us end up having more than one (sire) but I think it loses it's meaning when one jumps from to sire to sire to sire.....
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Post by Melanctha Monaghan-Aurelius on Jul 5, 2008 9:09:27 GMT -8
I have had a total of three sires since I've entered the city. I came in as Cap's childe, which is how I ended up in Cap Clan. The main reason I severed him is he wasn't really there for me all the time because he had such a huge family and had other things to attend to.
Then Roargo sired me, and there was nothing wrong with that until he left for awhile to go to Hades. And everything else was falling apart around me at that time so i just couldn't have an absent sire on top of everything else so I severed him and bound to LadyFae (Nara) as my sire.
RoD and Nara I both chose because they were both good friends and constantly supported me through trying times. They each felt like a very natural choice to me.
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Post by Rykoth on Jul 6, 2008 5:52:49 GMT -8
Let's see... I was sired oh... hm. About nearly 700 years ago? Fire, burns, dying.... then a vampiress named Meleth came, and turned me. I never rely relied on my first sire, I kinda carved my own way which well... landed me in the city, found my sire, still didn't rely on her, and in 2006 I got her to sever me.
Then I was sired by Arsanga, and unless she becomes permanently ash and dust, or if she decides to one day lay six feet in the ground... I'm staying that way.
I don't need any guidance these days or such things, sometimes being sired - once you know all you need to know from a mentor stand point - sometimes being under a sire is simply a sign of respect and loyalty.
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Josephine
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Post by Josephine on Jul 6, 2008 9:43:19 GMT -8
I am a young vampire compared to many of you. My turning alone was only within the last year. *smiles ruefully* My human family still lives, prospers, and one of my half brothers graduates high school in the coming year.
Needless to say, I never saw my sire as a parent. Abby turned me in love, for it was love that guided her to save me from an annonomyous death from the hands of a mugger. She turned me even knowning part of me would rebel against this new life.
She was there as a guide in this unlife. I looked to her often as a confidant, a mentor, and still always a friend. I never called her mommy, mother, or anything like that. I did and still do love her though. When I sired my eldest son, Christof, it was a quiet thing and he does call me mother.
It is more a tone of respect for him than being needy. Spensor also calls me mother and if he gains comfort from such then I do not mind. Julian does not call me mother, but then we were both created under the same sire. I am always Josephine to him and we are more equals than one above the other. I advise him on what to seek in the city and aid him as needed.
My other sons too are still choosing their paths and have split down the middle, with Taka calling me by name and Tamesis calling me mother (with the same air as Christof).
When I resired it was not for love, affection, or guidance. I was full grown and my husband could teach me that which I was lacking in knowledge of. I resired to be of use to my clan, who had become family to me, and strive to be a good childe who does not bring grief to her sire.
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