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Post by rel on Nov 19, 2009 12:46:23 GMT -8
I like this topic ooc so i'm gonna respond here.. (Honestly, this is the one case where I agree with tejas for putting her foot down and not letting Susan desecrate/godmod/powerplay/wtfever her character. Unless I as a player agreed with it, I wouldn't want anyone desecrating Coquette, either.) ((Given that Tej consistently slices out peoples' tongues without their permission or consent, she is being a hypocrite if she is whining about this desecration. Don't like it? Don't do it.)) Yes - I absolutely agree. The days (here I go...sorry) where death posts were common, I'd look forward to read how someone was completely destroyed within a fight. Eyes taken, a leg, burned, being dragged into a bar and thrown onto a table for effect. It's a kill. A killshot, and the victor gets the right to 'write' it as they see fit. It's not godmodding if the victim is at zero and has no action to play in my humbled opinion. Godmodding is if you CAN do an action and I don't let you. I have rel slap you, then pull your arm around the back, then slice your throat, then etc etc without letting you react to each action as they occur. With those choosing for their characters to not take torpor now, the line has become gray on killshots and this entire new stance of 'you're godmodding my character' has occurred with a 'death'. Why? Why not look at it as a glorious opportunity as a write to deal with the given circumstances of having to 'heal'? To find your eyes from the one who took them? yes - i agree that writing with the other person is always the best possible solution, but, as a writer, i see no reason why the character of Occamrazor couldn't cut an ear off of tejas when she zeroed her.
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Post by Louvain on Nov 19, 2009 12:56:57 GMT -8
I'd completely forgotten about the tongue thing. I've never desecrated a character before, but I'd still want someone to set up the story with me before just doing it.
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Post by rel on Nov 19, 2009 13:13:45 GMT -8
which is totally fair and i think the best way to make the story fantastic! It's odd, cause I love the ability to have rel come here to see who's sired, dead, screwing, etc, but then I beg the question is that the killshot post? Is that it? Has it replaced what once was?
It was an honor to have your character write one, to sit down and lay out how a foe was taken. You got first dibs, as it were. Now - others (this is kinda gray area here so go with me) who would swoop in and either steal the kill or poof your victim away would, in a sense, ruin the moment, BUT you still got the moment right? So you could, as a writer, incorporate that as given circumstances to use to tell your story.
Rob (Kaio) is notorious for the kill story, and I, for one, really like to read them. My character may not always like them, but as a reader it helps keep the 'world' alive ya know?
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Post by Louvain on Nov 19, 2009 13:22:06 GMT -8
I think the point of my post (which was the first quoted so I'm going off of that) was that it bothered me to see that she wasn't consulted beforehand and from what I know of Rob, at least, he did talk to the players beforehand and see that they were involved in their character's desecration and aware of it.
I don't know that I'm opposed to Coquette being harmed if she were killed, but I'd certainly want to write off on what I'm okay with before they do it. So in this case, I do agree with Tejas that she doesn't want something to happen to her character without prior consent.
That was before I remembered Tejas' tongue bullshit and Archangel's cutting off heads BS, and I don't know if those were agreed to by players before they were done. But if they didn't work it out, then I'd just say that's par for the course with those two and let it be whatever. We all know that sort of thing gets done by them all the time and they're going to get the same treatment (IE ignoring unsanctioned desecration) that they give from me.
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Post by Ace Dumont on Nov 19, 2009 13:23:45 GMT -8
Yeah, I have to agree with all the above points made. The kill-shot used to be the glorious, climax of a fight. Now you've got people treating it like a dust-bunny hit their character. They literally get up, dust themselves off, and go back to doing everything they were doing ten minutes before. I guess I see it as a furthering of the death of RP. Personally I love putting my characters through harrowing events. As I've stated before (probably numerous times by now), RB only gave us so many game-tools to incorporate into our RP. Why waste them? Ace gets HW'd, he's stumbling and getting bandaged. Angel gets hit by a hunter, he's bitching about it while removing splinters out of his side. So, in conclusion, I'd welcome any killshot posts aimed at my character should the time ever arrise. Time was Kaio was threatening to put ol' Ace up on a cross, and believe me I still use that in Ace's RP (he hates Kaio specifically because of that!). PS - the reason I haven't/didn't bother doing any killshot RPs? Because of this. "Non-resters" who'd then wail that it ttly didn't happen cuz they don't rest. Yeah. My fully-blooded character couldn't chop off the finger of your zeroed pyre. O-kay. Not worth the trouble! EDIT: I'm for to an extent. Permanent stuff, yeah you best be calling me and convincing me. Nobody's going to be cutting off Ace's dick. Or head. Or di-- >.> Anywho. Yeah, I'd say that both WRITERS need to be in on it, and agree with it if it's going to be some kind of unlife-altering action. (Eye-plucking, body-part-cutting-off, etc)
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 19, 2009 14:08:20 GMT -8
I don't know that I'm opposed to Coquette being harmed if she were killed, but I'd certainly want to write off on what I'm okay with before they do it. So in this case, I do agree with Tejas that she doesn't want something to happen to her character without prior consent. I don't know, I see it differently. It just seems to me that ppl wanna suck all the flavor out of the game by being super sensitive about their characters. Everyone being super pretty and super strong and impervious to anything.. just dull to me. The was I see it, if you don't want that kind of harm to come to your vamp, don't put them in a possiton where they're at the mercy of another. If Luke got zeroed and someone chopped his balls off I wouldn't like it. It's embarassing. But I just see that as incentive to keep luke from running his mouth off and getting himself into that possition. Someone zeros(incompacitates) your vamp, you are at their mercy. That adds a exciting danger/risk to the game. But people coddle their ideas of their vamps in their heads like kittens.. don't be so attached. Have some fun. Like Rel Player said. Gives you a whole oppertunity to GET BACK your shit. Sounds fun. But this is just my opnion.
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 19, 2009 14:13:12 GMT -8
Add on: Some of plucks out your vamps eye and you can't get it back. They beat you. Oh well.
But it's not disfiguration cause their is a way around it.
Person A: Zeros Luke and plucks out both his eyes. Person A and his friends are way to powerful for me to take on to reclaim my parts.
Luke Solution: Find a human, pluck out their eyes and pop them in. Lukes blood will 'turn' the human body part into vampire flesh, in the same way vamp blood turns an entire human, it stands to reason it'll work for little parts too.
Someone chops your hand off... find a human who matches and do some surgery. That's badass, and you're good as new.
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Post by rel on Nov 19, 2009 14:52:05 GMT -8
That, dear sir, IS badass! HA! That would rule!
In fact I do recall an rp of someone being blind for a bit because of eyes being taken...who the hell was it...good story too. damn my memory...
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Post by Kiia on Nov 19, 2009 16:21:15 GMT -8
Wasn't it Galamushi?
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Post by Jett on Nov 19, 2009 16:29:06 GMT -8
I just want to point out the paradox that is the sentence "I don't know that I'm opposed to Coquette being harmed if she were killed"
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Post by Beezil on Nov 19, 2009 16:36:49 GMT -8
Beezil has grown back her eyes a few times, along with other body parts... including hair, arms, fingers, ect. >.> I always figured she was like a lizard in that sense. Vampires are supposed to be able to heal rapidly, yeah? So my take is, they can grow back whole appendages if need be. Godmodding? I guess if you see that way. I don't.
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Post by Moons on Nov 19, 2009 16:38:47 GMT -8
Godmodding involves anyone writing an action about another player's character without their consent. If a player runs a roleplay (Generally the first poster who sets the scene and objectives) then that player is the game-master, and has the authority (Unspoken) to do as they wish for the RP to continue. However, as a general rule; it is considered rude to have your character cary out a direct action on the other person's character, and dictate the response of that person's character without their express permission.
There are, of course, scenarios where this does not apply; such as when the person has basically signed over their character to one's creative discretion such as within a torture RP or a death RP. It should be noted that if you sign your character over, or volunteer them; you can't whine about it later, or shouldn't rather.
Do I think killshot bears significance? No. Killshot in city has nothing to do with the RP aspect of the game, and if someone does anything with my character, they better damn well have my express permission beforehand. Generally, however, if I'm just asked I don't mind bad things happening to my characters, because it is that type of thing that creates depth and fun. If someone wants to have their character carve something into Moon's flesh, I'm generally fine with that because it gives him history, vitality and a story that is genuinely and specifically unique to him. Plus, I enjoy reading descriptive violence and gore. >.>
I think one of the key problemsis that a lot of people get tied up in not wanting for their character to appear weak, and so they rush to have someone "Claim the body" while the other person tries to exert their character's "superiority" by somehow doing something to the other character's body. All of this is really just rather silly.
Talk OOC, like adults, and you'll get some pretty spectacular and amazing results.
Also, your character godmodding my character is not an excuse for me to participate in bad RP form.
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Post by Moirai on Nov 19, 2009 16:42:26 GMT -8
Generally, it's better form to speak with the author behind the character, or at least have some sort of history between the characters. I, myself, would rather be involved and I am game to bodily mutilation IF I GET TO BE INVOLVED IN THE WRITING PROCESS. I am more perturbed by being left out than I am at my character being fucked up. Others, however, are on the opposite side of the spectrum. For them, I feel the CoB Altar is the best medicine. Should I resurrect the Altar? *evil grin*
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Post by Moons on Nov 19, 2009 16:46:36 GMT -8
>.>
Mutilation *Perks up*
Altar?
Oh, I like you.
*Touches*
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Post by Beezil on Nov 19, 2009 16:48:31 GMT -8
ohhh right... that's what god modding is. Soo for example *Beezil strangles <insert random name here> and watches the life slowly leave their eyes* Yeah, I don't do that... unless it's in jest. As far as deaths go... well... If Beezil got the kill shot on someone, I'd probably want some kind of victory RP to go with it for her. But I don't think I'd make that much of an effort over a vampire with less than 200 pints. It's always better if the two parties come together for an actual story, instead of some messy argument/RP/circus that goes nowhere.
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