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Post by Damari on Nov 21, 2009 13:27:07 GMT -8
I hate to say it but I've done my dash in giving back to the game. I've moderated across boards, I've led and I've taught and been taught.
To say that those who have been here the longest haven't put back is REALLY inaccurate. It's worse than inaccurate, it's insulting.
If Uriah had half the knowledge that sits in the ones that have been here a while, I bet he'd be doing the same thing, it takes experience not to have to make wars and just as much patience and experience to bide time IC and wait, stock, prepare and wait.
You're so off base it's not funny. Many of the older players I know teach, guide and work their asses off for this game. They put in untold hours of work, time and effort to make sure things in their portion of the game run smoothly efficiently and well.
Just because you don't SEE it and haven't felt the effects of it, doesn't make it any less true of the effort maintained by many. It just means they dont' require advertising for those efforts to know they're doing well.
Anyway - the only ones I see complaining about the young ones in the game, are the middle aged ones who think their elders. The ELDERS, are doing their own thing, and doing it well... so when stuff does happen.
Well, we'll leave that IC - when it becomes necessary to discuss this IC.
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Post by CG Dragonfly on Nov 21, 2009 13:31:20 GMT -8
@ Dee: Hey... not all the 'older' characters complain about the 'younger' ones. Some do try to help.  @ Steph: I understand where you're coming from, I've had my share of OOC abuse. The one time my character was zeroed [by the Splinters] it was announced and exactly two weeks to the minute later, announced she was out of torpor. There was no In Character for the two weeks, just lots of Out of Character. I didn't miss the In Character at that time cuz I knew it'd be there when I got my character back into the swing afterwards. There have been a few that I could hate, even now when their Out of Character behavior has dulled to be hardly remembered. I let it go because it wasn't for me. I'd rather enjoy the writing and the new options around rather than dwell on how someone did such-n-such to me or tried to harm me in indirect ways. Gah, I sound like some monk or nun or something. >.> |
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Post by black_dragonet on Nov 21, 2009 13:34:20 GMT -8
To me, the one with the kill shot gets to do what he wants with the body, save sexual stuff, save expose the vampire to the sun.
The other side does what they want, whine, disagree, pout, stomp foot. That's the proper way to do it.
Now dragonet will say he's against, and rant pompously if it's brought IC, but OOC, hey, that's the way it is.
If it can be RPed together, all the best.
If it can be brought to work by RP, very good.
If it's not, sorry for the refusing side. I'll get along with the killshot side of the story.
Why should the "elders" force people to play their way? We'd get accused of being bullies. No way.
Just keep taking their eyes, tongues ears and balls. They can whine all they want, they're just voices.
There are still some who fight ant discuss OOC how it will eventually be RPed.
petit_prince did, for instance, and it was GREAT fun. IC, some didn't like it and said it was stupid, some liked it, I hope. OOC, I hope many players liked it as much as I liked RPing that torpor.
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Post by Damiana Jones on Nov 21, 2009 13:38:06 GMT -8
I'm not saying make nonsense. And I didn't say ALL older players are like that. So don't take what I said out of hand. There are some older players who do nothing but complain about how this game is. So please, don't feel insulted about something that clearly isn't directed toward you. For when I was typing it out, you weren't the target. I wasn't talking about THOSE who actually do something for this game. But there are some who do absolutely -nothing- but complain. Nothing else at all. If Uriah had half the knowledge, I'd allow him to do more than he could do now. And I wouldn't have him start pointless wars. I don't claim to know more than I do. Nor do I allow myself to play Uriah like he knows more than he knows.
You got offended for no reason. If you or the others don't do that, then you don't do that. And more power to you all that don't. But do not dismiss my words just because you don't SEE what I SEE.
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Post by Vamane on Nov 21, 2009 13:40:23 GMT -8
I just say, with the kill shots RP, least keep it to where the vampire can come back, you know? It's not a death, as in completely dead - no coming back. It's a time to rest after the fight, but you can't really stop them from harming your body if you can't move. It's just common sense for the RP to make sense.
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Post by Lyric on Nov 21, 2009 13:41:13 GMT -8
I just think that with some of the players that have been around for at least a few years, the player of the killer and the player of the killed should get together and plan roleplay more often. What she said. |
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Post by Damari on Nov 21, 2009 14:09:10 GMT -8
I admit, this is something I don't do anymore. I used to write all the time.
I don't so much anymore. Which I guess is where Damari has changed, she's so much more impulsive now.
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Post by kaio999 on Nov 21, 2009 16:32:03 GMT -8
That's rather chock full of assumptions there, Rob.  I only mean in a unwilling to Shepard the city way, I know that within ygg and RoR your very active among yourselves, but when it comes to spreading it, your kinda cold no offense. But its true Ygg and RoR are the only ones who can Shepard I have tried both IC and OOC to fix this city, it doesn't make it very far in the grand scheme of things. (Though I do think that OOC meeting went well right before I moved) |
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Post by kaio999 on Nov 21, 2009 16:47:20 GMT -8
I hate to say it but I've done my dash in giving back to the game. I've moderated across boards, I've led and I've taught and been taught. To say that those who have been here the longest haven't put back is REALLY inaccurate. It's worse than inaccurate, it's insulting. If Uriah had half the knowledge that sits in the ones that have been here a while, I bet he'd be doing the same thing, it takes experience not to have to make wars and just as much patience and experience to bide time IC and wait, stock, prepare and wait. You're so off base it's not funny. Many of the older players I know teach, guide and work their asses off for this game. They put in untold hours of work, time and effort to make sure things in their portion of the game run smoothly efficiently and well. Just because you don't SEE it and haven't felt the effects of it, doesn't make it any less true of the effort maintained by many. It just means they dont' require advertising for those efforts to know they're doing well. Anyway - the only ones I see complaining about the young ones in the game, are the middle aged ones who think their elders. The ELDERS, are doing their own thing, and doing it well... so when stuff does happen. Well, we'll leave that IC - when it becomes necessary to discuss this IC. I disagree, lets be very clear here RoR and ygg have won. There is no real competitors or enemies at the gates they hold complete dominance they get new members every day and no one can really plan there destruction. They have the oldest most stocked characters. Hurrah Hurrah long live the queens. Now what? you don't take risks, you don't try to scoop up all noobs in sight, you don't force your will on others. you keep only those you know offer zero risk of rebellion at your side. There is no attempt at domination or princeship (Which would just be plain fun) I mean where do we go from here? Rob (Capadocius) owned the whole city but he never let it come to this, it never became dry or pointless he always pushed the bar. I mean with zero risk comes zero fun, I am surprised you guys don't look at this as if its a job at this point. That's all I am saying. I mean rather the ivory tower makes the move or someone with the charisma rallies everyone and some how topples the walls. I dont see the second one happening do you? |
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Post by Damari on Nov 21, 2009 19:48:10 GMT -8
So our responsibility is now to ensure everyone else has fun? That's hardly fair.
I understand completely what you're saying. The joy of Robert/Cap being he pushed the envelope and didn't mind if he failed at what his grandiose schemes.
Not that Damari is leadership in the clans but I don't think it's the job of our humans to ensure the dynamic of the game remains, exciting. After one 2 month war, depleted supplies and other resources what then?
We get to stock up again for a war of our choosing because the motivation is to keep the city exciting for others?
How about the others? The Ferrymens, The HoH's, or whatever hell else other clans out there. How about their humans. Shouldn't they be given the same speech. What about their obligation to the game. Shouldn't they be guilted into throwing themselves in a Kamikazi attack against RoR & Ygg?
And because you don't think the charismatic leader will come to rally the troops, it is then our (term used widely) responsibility to ensure it's done.
*shrug* Seems a little unfair to me.
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Post by ladypeacek on Nov 21, 2009 20:09:49 GMT -8
Hey...HEY! *waggles fingers* I sorta resent that. Pea was chided for attempts at doing just that- sparking some life into the city with stunts and/or plots. Shot down too- because no one wanted to deal with ygg if they were gonna die. You gotta remember Ferry's name is nearly the only benefit we had...since when Pea became leader it was fricken dead and most the members now- well 90% don't have half the lifespan of the majority in RoR or YGG in the city. However- with that said, Puawai is still right...it relates to this thread because- the problem just isn't with Ygg or RoR- the problem is that those that have moderate resources- even if not enough to BEAT Ygg/Ror- are so attached to their charrys and so afraid of looking bad if they lose- that they won't make the first move either. Same goes for all the clans right now. The one thing we know ICly- is that neither of those clans will just allow you to hit them and do nothing. If people would stop protecting their charry so harshly and stand up to them when they feel a need- well eventually their resources would burn just like everyone elses. I mean *snorts* there are plenty in this city that would love to crack a HW on Seyda...but too afraid to admit it. So you can't lay blame on YGG/RoR...they have no need to stir the pot...they are sitting on the damn thing and waiting for someone to grow a pair and remove them from it. The longer people wait...the more they build. Though I do agree with Rob/Kaio that it would add some spice to the city if the alliance did use their power to do SOMETHING- I mean really- who cares if we call you bullies and point...what the hell are we going to do about it? At the very least- for win or lose..BRING BACK THE DAMNED RP- A thread in RBB site is what got me involved in rp at all in RB. It was called *ahems* 'Cap is a weenie'...the war between caps and gyllies if I recall rightly. Hell pea took on a majority of D'darys in live battle, knowing she would die- but damned if it wasn't fun. The role plays done properly can even give victory of a war to the side that loses on the battlefield...at least in the eyes of the city. |
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Post by ophelia Lokason on Nov 21, 2009 20:19:48 GMT -8
I'm pretty pooped out today so I don't know if I will articulate this properly, not that it really matters to anyone one way or another.. BUT It's getting REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY old to hear the whole 'well the most 'powerful' vampires/group/players' should be doing something to keep the city moving forward. Hello? This is amazing to me. One one hand you have folks pissing and moaning because they've fallen victim to their own creation, rather than remembering that THEY run the vampire and the vampire does NOT run THEM. They dither and get all lathered up about how it makes them feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel out of character because they are at the mercy of the character. Therefore anyone that comes in here icly with their vampire and starts some shit are being dicks OOC and taking it 'too far'. On the other hand, you have folks feel that these players need to push their vampires to be the very same dicks that another set is pissing and moaning about oocly. Who wants to have to deal with THAT kind of jacked up identity crisis from other players on purpose? And while we're all at it, can people just take ONE moment to realize that its horrifying...terrifying for some players to have to engage with others that take themselves and their vampire so seriously that they get bent every time they figure out ten steps too late that they're not going to win the verbal dispute (ic) and get all frantic (ooc). Heck, I think I just gave myself a head ache thinking about it all. Oh, and I advocate resting for my vampire Death posts rick and your vampire should treat other vampires how they want to be treated after a zero, or at least accept the fact that they reap what they sow ~M |
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Post by melkya on Nov 21, 2009 20:46:33 GMT -8
Well most know by now that I don't particularly like the idea of vampire temporary death...I just find it sorta silly. However, I always liked the idea of the resting period because I believe that vampires CAN be weakened so much so that their unable to fight back (which would explain why under 250 you can NOT throw a weapon- you are just plain too weak- too weak to throw a weapon= too weak to fight back in other ways).... ...As for vampire regeneration- I am sorta leaned to the side that says we can regenerate flesh, some cartilage- but not bones and entire limbs. It would go hand in hand with a faster healing process. So ears, tongues, flesh wounds- I am all ok with. When I did role play melkya in this game, I used much of V:TM rules for his "vampiric" stuff. For example, aside from the goofing around with the fish tank when he was in FoE, torpor was an injury induced coma for him. as for the limb regrowth, I used the Blood Healing from V:TM which would allow for limb regrowth. Of course it's not instant regrowth. |
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Post by kaio999 on Nov 21, 2009 21:19:29 GMT -8
I'm pretty pooped out today so I don't know if I will articulate this properly, not that it really matters to anyone one way or another.. BUT It's getting REAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY old to hear the whole 'well the most 'powerful' vampires/group/players' should be doing something to keep the city moving forward. Hello? This is amazing to me. One one hand you have folks pissing and moaning because they've fallen victim to their own creation, rather than remembering that THEY run the vampire and the vampire does NOT run THEM. They dither and get all lathered up about how it makes them feeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeel out of character because they are at the mercy of the character. Therefore anyone that comes in here icly with their vampire and starts some shit are being dicks OOC and taking it 'too far'. On the other hand, you have folks feel that these players need to push their vampires to be the very same dicks that another set is pissing and moaning about oocly. Who wants to have to deal with THAT kind of jacked up identity crisis from other players on purpose? And while we're all at it, can people just take ONE moment to realize that its horrifying...terrifying for some players to have to engage with others that take themselves and their vampire so seriously that they get bent every time they figure out ten steps too late that they're not going to win the verbal dispute (ic) and get all frantic (ooc). Heck, I think I just gave myself a head ache thinking about it all. Oh, and I advocate resting for my vampire Death posts rick and your vampire should treat other vampires how they want to be treated after a zero, or at least accept the fact that they reap what they sow ~M I really did miss your whole point here love... I mean id like to point out Kaio has caused shit for ygg before. He caused shit for RoR and he caused shit for HA. Problem is I dont have the ability to bring to bare what your characters do, At least not without running a shit load more alts than HA and not getting caught by RB for it. And I am definitely not willing to put in that kind of effort. A few others have as well, but you really are the wall here, and a little movement on your end would be appreciated or else I think the city will only fall into greater disrepair. I don't blame any of you, or want to sound like im harassing I respect almost all the characters built and the players behind them, but outside your alliances walls its the dark ages, and we need you to create the renaissance even if its through blood virtually speaking of course.  |
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Post by Damari on Nov 21, 2009 23:47:23 GMT -8
Well, shit. I'm glad I'm not you Michelle. You're the dawning of the renaissance. No pressure, no pressure.
Look Rob, if Damari pushed any more freaking buttons she'd be sticking her stiletto into another vampire's brain. Hell, she's killed two vampires this year alone and she does so with impunity because the other vampires are scared.
Now, hell, one of these days, someone is going to push back. Who knows who that someone is, and why that will happen, but one day it will. Telling us we should orchestrate it on purpose isn't fair to us who have to a bogus REASON IC to want to rule this world. Robert's Cap was perfect for the role because he DID want to rule the world and given how he was played, perfectly matched this antagonist you want for the city.
But ophelia rule the city through Ygg? NN rule the city through RoR? It's just not believable to who they are as vampires. Damari could give a shit about ruling the city, she's tiny minded and vindictively satisfied with her little power base of impenetrability.
You want us to create a scenario that will have everyone ELSE happy but would go against what we want as players. Well, what I think we want at any rate.
Michelle is right. It gets fucking difficult to play evil when just one thread of trying to bait a character leads to a bullshit storm of ooc backlash "I've had enough and it' harrassment" crap and threads locked, bitching, moaning and bah humbug.
You didn't think that was Ygg and RoR doing something?
Do you want to know how many people have told me (or us) that we go too far sometimes? That because I run Damari, I should ooc conscience call what Damari does because at some point it goes too far?
Hell, what was said in the last two days is nothing to what dialogue can happen in a war. Imagine the furor if this was full scale with the recent hoorah it just doesn't seem sensible to engage anyone at the moment.
Honestly, if they can't handle Damari being her evil bitch self in normal time, what makes you think I (or anyone else) wants to put themself out there to create tension and drama when the FIRST thing that happens is an ooc slam?
I got a slam for Monica recently, I got a slam for Damiana Jones... I'm still here and Damari hasn't changed, but you know what. ANYONE can yell ooc foul for anything, given enough impetus. Devils Advocate my ass... people just take their characters too seriously and it's all just so life and death if something happens to it that isn't pre-destined by some cookie-cutter design their writers have for them.
I think THAT is the real reason wars aren't being started. The humans are scared.... For whatever reason, it's the human factor that's at fault here.
I'm not scared for Damari. What will be will be, but I'm not going to be stupid with Damari just because someone thinks it's our noblese oblige to do something about the current ennui.
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