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Post by vamps on Nov 22, 2009 8:55:38 GMT -8
II concur, who'd have thought this debate/conversation would have developed in a thread began as OOC tejas obit. Go figure huh? So no not all players are afraid of ROR/ygg. Yeah thats what all the rambling came down to While I appreciate that to be the truth, the players within RoR and Yggdrasil don't want to decimate all the rest of you either. Just some of you! If we wanted you dead again now, you probably would be, fear or lack of it not withstanding. It'll happen, assuredly. Whether it's of a proactive or reactive nature remains to be seen, now doesn't it? And if it's not soon enough to appease some watchers as well as the victims, *ahem* I mean participants, oh well...proactive's our respective call to make, reactive's your's. (general you, not specific to you.) It is, however, a double-edged sword as Steph stated. Remember this conversation well please; when the action comes, don't bitch about it and question the motivations OOCly, at least not publicly. I`ll g'head and wager you now that some will do just that, and it won't be from our side either. (edited to add a missing 'e')
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kaio999
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Post by kaio999 on Nov 22, 2009 9:42:49 GMT -8
Yes, but when Cap Clan was running around with its 'Join or Die' routine, public opinion SCREAMED for people to be left alone to do their own thing the way they want to do it. The simple fact of the matter is that you can't make everyone happy. When Cap Clan reigned, you had the majority whining about being left alone with a minority having the time of their lives because they were the ones "winning." Now, RoR/Ygg are the bastards because they aren't imposing their will onto anyone. But, if we went and imposed our will onto someone, we'd get insulted OOCly, told we're a giant bunch of bullies, and that we don't deserve to have what we do. But, yanno...be careful what you wish for and what not I suppose. If and when we do uncork, I don't want to hear the whining. Well you should know I don't whine. I like the idea of rebellion and fighting the oppressor, it makes for amazing role play, which is why I came here in the first place. Like I said idiots are idiots it does not matter when or where the city is they're there bitching. We should accept it and move on.
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Post by ladypeacek on Nov 22, 2009 10:26:29 GMT -8
Thanks to vamp who pointed out that I am not OOCly opposed to Ygg/RoR...because had half of us had the place they currently carried, we would likely stick to it like glue as well...no one can deny that really even if we used it differently....we would still use it to our own advantage, whatever that may be...and just like in that IC debate about our morals ICly- we all carry different ones, just as we carry different values and ideas of what power really is.
Pea doesn't see them as 'power' necessarily because to her that implies they can force her to comply to their ideals or desires- and they simply can't, regardless of what they say or do to her. And that is the only thing that would allow them power. Unfortunately she also believes too many allow them such power.
However- in the same sense I can completely understand and agree with Rob in the view that its nearly game over for a lot of the city. Ygg and RoR have won. No one is willing to allow their characters to face them. Regardless of the reasons, whether they be IC (clan leader wont let them, or clan members are against it) or OOC (they just cant bear the idea of their characters being zeroed or losing) the fact still remains that everyone stands down. Can't blame Ygg/RoR for those shortcomings. Yes- I would do things differently if I led those clans, because Pea is different...but I don't expect them to follow suit just because it makes things enjoyable for me.
And yes- the OOCness of nearly EVERY singe issue makes it very difficult to do anything in the city. As Rob said, and is true of me too- I hardly care OOCly about pea being ridiculed or zeroed. But we are most definitely a minority in that regard. You can see that in the simple number of ooc posts on this board vs the IC posts. The days of being enemies IC and friendly OOC are damned near over.
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Post by rel on Nov 22, 2009 10:52:46 GMT -8
You could garnish that it's a 'you're not doing anything' debate, but I see something beyond that. I see people talking...all talking about kind of wanting the same thing. Yes, things have crossed in the past as we all have had those moments of stopping ourselves from taking an IC event personal, but that's why we keep it in check and remember the outcome. This is supposed to be fun. For us. The players. There are many reasons why the 'babies' of the game - for lack of a better term and by no means any offense - would automatically think that the 'oldies' are just bitching about the way things have changed, instead of seeing it as an opportunity to realize the joy that this game can bring. It's no ones fault. Different forums have arisen to change the way we roleplay on the day to day, but there's nothing that stopping anyone from delving their character into a more classic format of roleplay. With the amount of history between most of the more vocal characters, it honestly wouldn't take much...
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Post by Damari on Nov 22, 2009 13:14:20 GMT -8
Except when one of the older players (Puawai) DID try to attempt to keep things lively utilizing the similarities between she and your characters' names, you threw a gigantic OOC hissy fit. No offense to Damari (and I say that because I really am afraid I will spell your name wrong lol) But that took two to make it bigger. Not to say Dee wasn't a bit annoyed at it all. Yeah, and their names are Claire & Dee. I asked an innocent question. Then made innocent concessions because I thought the writer of Damiana was a new player to RB and I wanted to assure her that she caught the attention of a ‘evil played’ character. Where I was immediately called immature, a bully and that I was disgusting, then topped off with being a crosser. It gets TIRED. I tried to be nice and I tried to talk honestly and nicely ooc and all I got was accusations, recriminations and flack. And it is not meant as another hammer to throw at Dee or Claire cause there’s no sense in that. But it does highlight the fact that people are so hypersensitive about their characters. I’m sure if Dee had of not responded emotionally to what happened to her character or to my innocent ooc post then that whole rant might not have happened. I didn’t post that ooc to bully her ooc. I posted that ooc because in my world, I thought it was an honest ooc attempt to share intention, motivation and open up communication. But it just goes to show that we do try to talk about things ooc. Have made attempts to do so. But what happens? World War fucking III about what turned out to be differing opinions about whether the ‘People Online’ listing was IC or OOC. Do you know how asinine that is? It should have been a simple asked and answered. It COULD have been an awesome way to introduce this new character to the city, through Damari’s hissy fit, instead there is this distasteful ooc crap behind it that mars the whole thing. Emotion driven, unnecessary crap. So here we are being called to task as players who have the experience for not making drama, for not giving back to the game and giving it drama, intrigue, war and mayhem but I ask you. Why must we put ourselves in the middle of what we KNOW by experience will be an ooc shit storm? If something as small as killing a newb character can garner 11 pages of arguing ooc. What will a war bring? And experience tells us it will. Where is our reward for taking shit, and keeping it real, then still maintaining clear lines between character and person? Why in the world would we do it? Why in the world do we continue to do it other than our own inclination to be a part of this game and this history and the drama it breeds. And why, knowing this, will we DO IT, handle it and deal with it, when it happens. Because we too feel that this game deserves a little personal sacrifice and a headache or two. And we will, I’m not saying we won’t, just that, it’s not just as simple as ‘doing it’. Doing it is the easy part, dealing with it, is the hardest slog and not always a easy row to hoe. I was insulted at first by the assumption we’re not doing our part. I don’t think it’s fair. I feel like I’m doing my part to add spice to this city. It’s not just about great wars and heroic deeds. I’m here day to day as well, I give antagonism, envy, jealousy and hatred to this game. Damari pivots a shit load of drama all the time. One day war will come and it’s going to last, at most two or three months. What we do day to day, all the time is what moves this city along. Not just the big wars but commitment that happens through dedication to the game as an ongoing entity. And you wanna know whats funny. I had a quite a few people, who after they heard Damia had sired said newb who was under attack, offer to help her HW Damari. Now if Damia were a total crazy bitch (and sometimes I wonder why she isn't myself) She'd do it. IC wise she isn't afraid of Damari, nor afraid of ROR nor really afraid of anything because the way I rped her back from D&B was that she got punished for committing suicide and was sent back to do something. What she has no clue. But shes stuck alive again so to speak. But in the end, the way I have always rped Damia stuck which is that she thinks before she does something, she may not care about dying, but usually shes going to do peaceful shit first, and if push comes to shove, then she willl go on the offensive. Not to mention, she figured that the childe would learn that death comes easy in the city, even when you haven't done anything wrong. Anyways sorry for the ramble Ill get back to the point. So said people offered, and like I told them, if damia was going to HW damari, she'd do it without help. If she dies, oh well, she will rest for two weeks and come back and start again. *grin* Well, I figure one day Damari’s antics will get her into deep water. It’s the price you pay for having a character like Damari. It’s amazing to me she hasn’t wound up dead in an alley before now, but I figure her time is coming and whoever gets her will have an absolute field day making the most of it. I’m kinda looking forward to it. (sorry for the length, I added to this over the last couple hours, so it's just long winded.)
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Post by ladypeacek on Nov 22, 2009 17:33:09 GMT -8
Wow, just WOW. I totally admit I had to see this thread everyone is on about with the similar name to Damari. I can't exactly see where Puawai was being a bully- rather than assume oocly that this person had done it intentionally and it was just another alt roaming about- which we ALL know happens a great deal around here ( i can give you 10 different variations ppl have made of Pea's name that don't belong to me at all)- she asked. And she let her know WHY Damari was being a pisser about it- cuz well- Damari is a pisser, plain and simple. To me it seemed she was actually trying to AVOID someone feeling like they were being bullied oocly.
I guess I get now why a lot of the older experienced players don't want to involve themselves oocly with others to enhance the rp experience. Blah- these whole things can be wearing on the nerves. Perhaps if we all just do what Puawai has always been gracious in reminding me (might I add, even AFTER pea booted Damari from Ferry) - and BREATHE- things can get accomplished. And just for the record...pea and damari have said and done some downright nasty things to one another IC- and still Puawai has always been nothing short of civil and friendly with me.
This was a perfect example- getting too uptight about every little thing- so defensive, expecting that everyone is out to ruin the game for them OOC, that they keep their backs to the wall.
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Post by Boomerangele on Nov 22, 2009 20:32:46 GMT -8
Someone that can't see that, or needs to be told or reminded of that, probably doesn't belong here in the first place. That's pathetic, and people who feel that way have zero place RPing OR actively participating in a blood-based, vampiric game with weapons to be used for *gasps for effect* hurting other characters! Perhaps some strictly la-di-da butterflies and fairies or smut-based RP-related game/environment would be better suited to both their players mentality and level of emotional development. I say 'strictly' because those things can easily be incorporated into RP here if s player desires, as long as the true foundation of a blood-sucking vampire isn't trumped by goodie-two-shoes lovey-dovey ideals. If a player choses not to be the vicious warrior-type, then fine. But don't cry 'harassment' or 'foul' when you then blatantly and repeatedly choose to interact with others who are warriors with a strong desire for confrontation and battle.. Yes, this is a battle game but not everyone has ever played the game in the same way. Even within warring clans people were often differentiated as thieves and warriors. Not every has to throw weapons to play even within a warring clan. Insulting people by saying they do not belong here because they have different philosophies of game play is unnecessary. I think you have lost the original topic of this thread in your effort to spew ugliness, the topic of which had to do with body mutilation after the zeroing. No one was crying foul about the zeroing itself but that which occurred thereafter and whether or not it was in poor form. The use of weapons is not the issue here. The fact this is a war game is not an issue. If you re-read the first posting it was about the cutting off of Tej's ear and whether or not that was acceptable. Many people, myself included, gave our opinion about the acceptability of body mutilation. If you have an opinion on the topic and can state it without demeaning other players as you did above, I am sure we would all like to hear it.
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Post by ophelia Lokason on Nov 22, 2009 21:26:21 GMT -8
If you're gonna jump his shit for OT stuff Boomer then start with where it started and not with the rest of the commentary. It went OT way before he even spoke.
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Post by Boomerangele on Nov 22, 2009 22:27:04 GMT -8
You are correct. I snipped for that part which offended me the most. Perhaps there should be an open topic elsewhere for the rest of the offenders entitled "Whining about Ygg/ROR" to which everyone can be directed when they derail other topics.
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Post by black_dragonet on Nov 23, 2009 0:48:13 GMT -8
You are correct. I snipped for that part which offended me the most. Perhaps there should be an open topic elsewhere for the rest of the offenders entitled "Whining about Ygg/ROR" to which everyone can be directed when they derail other topics. May I remind you that we are in the OOC section? You are of course entitled to disagree, but I think what was posted was relevant, since it was posted in response to a subject that was spoken about in this thread, even though it was not the original topic. You not agreeing with it does not make his opinion on or off topic.
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kaio999
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Post by kaio999 on Nov 23, 2009 8:25:43 GMT -8
Boo the whining. BOO I say. *Goes to start the thread in IC section
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Post by seyda on Nov 23, 2009 8:31:25 GMT -8
Boo the whining. BOO I say. *Goes to start the thread in IC section Go to I think Liander's soapbox. There is a discussion about power where it starts to turn into a Ygg/RoR bitchfest...I'm sure there's some fodder in there for you to jumpstart an IC tirade.
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Damia
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Post by Damia on Nov 23, 2009 8:58:11 GMT -8
>> Wow..hit reply and it does other shit o.o
*stabs buttons that look alike*
Anyways as I meant to say
*Brings popcorn*
>> Ignore the damia edit shit..thats stupid retarded firefox messing up on me >.<
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Mephistophlese Sinclair
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Post by Mephistophlese Sinclair on Nov 23, 2009 19:01:39 GMT -8
The days of being enemies IC and friendly OOC are damned near over. I can think of a few vamp/players that Meph hates but I like the players. Seyda/S, Coquette/S, Nghthawk/G, Katastrophe/K, Ebony Moon/M, Archangel/A and probably a few that I can't think of at the moment. There are very very few players that I do not like. Seems like every time I talk to a player OOCly, I end up liking them. Even if their vamp is a schmuck. And BTW... Seydas player totally shocked me by how nice she is OOCly. Anyway... No "s". Sorry. Pet peeve of mine. Back on original topic. Most of you probably remember Mephs attitude about torpor... Yeah. It sucks, But bodily desecration after the zero would seem realistic. After all, a vamp needs 200BP to use a weapon, so It follows that a zeroed vamp would not be able to do anything about being mutilated unless someone were on the grid to DP them away immediately since the zeroed vamp needs 50BP to DP himself. What bugs me about death RP's is when they are not based on what happened on the grid. For example, If Meph were to be zeroed by the St. Johns, and Seyda was not present for the final blow, then I wouldn't want to see her mutilating Meph in RP. I think there was some grumbling about V-rex posting some sort of RP about RavynneNitewnd because I think there was a dispute on whether he was actually present. Also, I think the mutilation needs to be something that a vampire can recover from. Chopping up the body, running it through a meat grinder and using the vamp sausage to chum for sharks would be a little extreme. -Note- I do not feel comfortable publicizing any of the players full names w/o their express permission R. Scott.
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Post by Jair on Nov 23, 2009 22:27:45 GMT -8
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Why are we talking about Damiana/Damari?
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