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Post by Mandolin on Nov 21, 2009 10:13:49 GMT -8
If your character is at 0 pints of blood you are in torpor and can not stop who ever and what ever from happening. That is why we set up who gets the body. The big 'if' there is the Torpor one. A lot of players now don't believe in having their characters take it. Zeroing now is more of a 'Oh, you've taken all my blood? Well let me get right up and go feed and/or necro right away.' There isn't a proper kill RP anymore and hardly anyone collects the bodies of the fallen. Also, a lot of the newer players simply act as if getting zeroed has no effect on them or their powers... so to them, no one would have time to do anything with their body because they're always 'alive'.
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Post by coolhandluke on Nov 21, 2009 10:27:19 GMT -8
If your character is at 0 pints of blood you are in torpor and can not stop who ever and what ever from happening. That is why we set up who gets the body. The big 'if' there is the Torpor one. A lot of players now don't believe in having their characters take it. Zeroing now is more of a 'Oh, you've taken all my blood? Well let me get right up and go feed and/or necro right away.' There isn't a proper kill RP anymore and hardly anyone collects the bodies of the fallen. Also, a lot of the newer players simply act as if getting zeroed has no effect on them or their powers... so to them, no one would have time to do anything with their body because they're always 'alive'. Then what's the point in fighting at all? Why not just rock-paper-sissors every dispute?
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Post by Jair on Nov 21, 2009 10:34:44 GMT -8
I just think that with some of the players that have been around for at least a few years, the player of the killer and the player of the killed should get together and plan roleplay more often. Has anyone ever actually tried lately?
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Post by kaio999 on Nov 21, 2009 10:50:14 GMT -8
I think it simply comes down to trust as a community, I told everyone in a very public announcement a long time ago, you may desecrate Kaio's body, but if you do understand that I consider it to go both ways. So long as you don't role-play killing moves (Having the head cut off, all body parts removed etc.) I prefer to role play with the other character but than at the same time I also feels it takes away some of the spontaneity.
When Kaio crucified the Lomax's there was IC shock and stun it became this huge deal and it was FUN. The Lomax's made it work and provided me with the ability to further the experience.
When Kaio was killed by the Runes they did exactly what I had said not to do AND bitched OOC when I took a fang from one of there young.
I feel so long as people aren't hypocrites they will make it.
If you OOC say I dont want my death role played and I will not do it to others, fine its clear (Boring) but clear. If you dish it out though you better be willing to receive cause truth is you gave up your rights when you did it to someone else.
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Post by rel on Nov 21, 2009 11:12:41 GMT -8
I think someone above stated a great point - the 'learning from example'. When I started playing, SC was in a war. Rel, being a student, was not involved of course, but was taught to listen. We only had the yahoo groups then as players, so everything was role played a bit differently. I found out who the enemy was from kills. I found out the players. I learned what was acceptable within the community. The honor of torpor for what it meant as far as war-play. Each part essential to the other to create this world I was now playing in.
I watched as friends characters moved up the ranks and were finally able to fight. The first kill. The honor and fear (as a writer) of posting in the city maybe for the first time. Your characters kill. We learned from those before us so calling foul just really wasn't thought about. This is how the world worked, and to play in this world you separated ic/ooc and dealt with given circumstances as a writer. Much easier to deal with not taking things personally, much easier to be friends ooc even if your characters were trying to kill each other IC.
So regardless of the new 'torpor' rules, I believe that should in no way dictate the way that I play rel...the way I role play her. Rel doesn't acknowledge torpor'd vampires. She is a bit scared of 'ghosts' cause she doesn't have the ability to see them, and she gets a certain relish (see that? had to) in knowing how one group of vampires kicked the shit out of another group of vampires.
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Post by kaio999 on Nov 21, 2009 11:50:06 GMT -8
I agree with you a hundred percent rel problem is how do you enforce it? strongest clans in the city are stagnant and unwilling to act in the best interest of the game. (Yes it requires IC actions to achieve OOC results) characters need to RP. Need to establish new rules that benefit in this games rebuilding and enjoyment, problem is we dont have this, we have a bunch of idiot children running around more interested in making one line at a time sex scenes or insulting people in these papers that they have forgotten the basics.
We need someone to return us to greener pastures but those powerful enough IC are to bored OOC to do it. So we are left high and dry and this game withers and dies.
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Post by CG Dragonfly on Nov 21, 2009 12:17:48 GMT -8
Alright, gonna say something.
1. If you want roleplay, do it. Forget those that aren't or don't want to do it. Hopefully they'll catch on.
2. If you are desperate, I'll roleplay with you. I might not be super amazing overly long lit posts, but I can give it a shot.
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Post by Elektra on Nov 21, 2009 12:18:09 GMT -8
I think the D'darys were one of the few groups that were actively massacring other vampires and we enjoyed RPing our characters' kills but meh, Poo's no longer here so yeah... And I have no time to RP anymore. Well, I -do- have the time now, but I don't see the point of getting addicted to the game once more when I know I have to tear myself away come April-May next year. I graduate in June, will have a few months' holiday before starting my 36-hour shifts at hospitals. It's about time I paid more attention to RL matters anyway.
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Post by Pulse St. John on Nov 21, 2009 12:19:30 GMT -8
I think the D'darys were one of the few groups that were actively massacring other vampires and we enjoyed RPing our characters' kills but meh, Poo's no longer here so yeah... And I have no time to RP anymore. Well, I -do- have the time now, but I don't see the point of getting addicted to the game once more when I know I have to tear myself away come April-May next year. I graduate in June, will have a few months' holiday before starting my 36-hour shifts at hospitals. It's about time I paid more attention to RL matters anyway. MOAR REAL LIFE! This game sucks anyways. ;D
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Post by ladypeacek on Nov 21, 2009 12:28:55 GMT -8
Well most know by now that I don't particularly like the idea of vampire temporary death...I just find it sorta silly. However, I always liked the idea of the resting period because I believe that vampires CAN be weakened so much so that their unable to fight back (which would explain why under 250 you can NOT throw a weapon- you are just plain too weak- too weak to throw a weapon= too weak to fight back in other ways). So in that aspect...I would not ever be against someone taking her last pint along with a little destruction of the body so long as it's something that she could realistically come back from in tact. (like cutting her in half and taking off with one part would be a tad too far)...but some abuse is often well understood. And I would likely rp in return- her half awareness in the weakened state of what was going on.
As Rob knows well enough- I enjoy that part of rp...I enjoy having flaws and being 'beatable'...because its what makes it interesting for me. I would be bored to tears if I had a character that could never be beaten, or touched or 'a supervampire' that deflects everything there is.
I think if you are wholly against the idea of even a little 'kicking while they are down' of your character, then vampire games are probably not the best place for you since violence is a fairly obvious part of the game. Mebbe try a hello kitty forum?
As for vampire regeneration- I am sorta leaned to the side that says we can regenerate flesh, some cartilage- but not bones and entire limbs. It would go hand in hand with a faster healing process. So ears, tongues, flesh wounds- I am all ok with.
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Post by seyda on Nov 21, 2009 12:41:49 GMT -8
I'd just like to point out something that some may have forgotten or that got glossed over. The characters of two other players [Phoenixxe and gmanusrex] cut out Lesion's tongue, they then gave it to tejas as a trophy. There was a lot of backlash by Lesion's player and some others of 'How could they'. Some players actually RP'd getting it back and sewing it back in place for him, others ignored it. At least that's what I remember of the roleplay bit and the Out of Character reaction. ------- I think from reading this over, the majority are wanting more roleplaying and player interactions that aren't drama-filled. The game has a lot of great writers, plenty of fun reading their stuff. Maybe we'll go back to the writing and being friendly OOC? Please excuse any not making sense, it does tend to happen sometimes. The only problem with this is the vast majority of the city are so emotionally involved with their characters that if they get attacked, they take it personally OOC. There is no amount of collaboration that takes effect at that point. Out of the 4 or 5 wars or so that Seyda has played a part in, there has been ONE where the other side was willing to talk about RP. The rest have been so full of the ones getting zeroed making OOC insults about the other's lives and how fucked up they must be OOC that I've welcomed an end to the wars just to end the OOC abuse. I'll flat out admit at this point, after all of that, I'll be the last one to approach the other side for a collaborative RP unless I know it's someone like Rob or Sara who have distinct lines drawn between themselves and their characters.
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Post by seyda on Nov 21, 2009 12:44:52 GMT -8
I agree with you a hundred percent rel problem is how do you enforce it? strongest clans in the city are stagnant and unwilling to act in the best interest of the game. (Yes it requires IC actions to achieve OOC results) characters need to RP. Need to establish new rules that benefit in this games rebuilding and enjoyment, problem is we dont have this, we have a bunch of idiot children running around more interested in making one line at a time sex scenes or insulting people in these papers that they have forgotten the basics. We need someone to return us to greener pastures but those powerful enough IC are to bored OOC to do it. So we are left high and dry and this game withers and dies. That's rather chock full of assumptions there, Rob.
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Post by Damari on Nov 21, 2009 12:54:45 GMT -8
Damari has only died once at the hands of another and Moirai slit her throat. I thought it was cool that Damari was ... maimed that way.
I play Damari to go into torpor. I think every action has to have a consequence. That the game has moved from a clear definition to some ad hoc do whatever you want fashion hasn't changed how I've played, and will continue to play Damari.
I will maim characters in RP if I wish and I won't bat an eye if others maim Damari in whatever fashion in a kill post. I mean, that's what you expect.
Like Rob & Sara I don't emotionally invest myself in Damari. I love her don't get me wrong, she's fun to play but I'm not going to get all crazy because someone decides cutting out her tongue and ripping her eyeballs out when they get a kill shot is a good idea.
*shrug* Just be considerate of the character, write evil, but don't write stupid. It takes little effort to know where the line is in writing something like maiming another character... just take the time to think about it before you post.
The problem I find, is that alot of people WRITE emotionally. So they get all tied up in writing this post where they completely fuck up the other character but tied into that writing is all of their latent ooc anger as well and they have their character do stupid shit that if they'd taken the time before writing the post, to think about what they're having their character do, they'd realise they'd gone too far.
We are just as responsible for what our characters do IC in situations like that but it shouldn't be a problem if people just took the time to think about what they write in long RP. Why they're writing it and what effect they're hoping to get from it. Cause if it's all motivated by anger and revenge then you need to take a step back and think about it before you write it. Cool off and come back later.
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Post by Damiana Jones on Nov 21, 2009 13:17:09 GMT -8
I agree with you a hundred percent rel problem is how do you enforce it? strongest clans in the city are stagnant and unwilling to act in the best interest of the game. (Yes it requires IC actions to achieve OOC results) characters need to RP. Need to establish new rules that benefit in this games rebuilding and enjoyment, problem is we dont have this, we have a bunch of idiot children running around more interested in making one line at a time sex scenes or insulting people in these papers that they have forgotten the basics. We need someone to return us to greener pastures but those powerful enough IC are to bored OOC to do it. So we are left high and dry and this game withers and dies. I had to quote this because you are absolutely right. Absolutely right. And it's really what it all comes down to. The ones that have been playing this game for years aren't really willing to put in the OOC effort, cause I do believe it does take effort from an OOC perspective, to rock the boat IC-wise. I know RL is calling. And I'm not saying living your life is all that bad. I do enjoy doing it myself. But...I'm done hearing about the old complaining about the new. It's really not the new characters fault that there isn't really older characters active enough to sit and teach them. And the ones that are active are content with just complaining about the new and young characters. And it's sad to watch the older ones complain when something CAN be done. The amount time an older player takes to complain about how the game is is just enough time for an older player to do something about it. What it really comes down to it, honestly, don't complain if you aren't going to do anything about it. ESPECIALLY if you have the means to do extraordinary things about the lack of Roleplay and fervor that's plagued this game. Believe me, if Uriah had half the knowledge, half the resources, and half the connections a lot of these older vampires have, I'd tried my hardest to do something. I've only been in this game for about four years going on five next year. But I didn't get serious about it until about two years ago. I can honestly say I don't have the knowledge or the resources to do anything. I really would if I could.
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Post by Vamane on Nov 21, 2009 13:23:34 GMT -8
Just thought I'd put a little opinion in... hope no one minds.
The In City stats are what you are suppose to build your RP and IC life on about, right? I mean, you can't have an 'all powerful' vampire in RBC if your character doesn't even have one power, and barely any blood. Which, in the chats, you see a lot. So with people like that, I tend to just avoid RPing with them..
Now, if your character is down, and someone put in that kill shot, I guess they would have a little right to Rp what they want with the body, unless another character intervenes. I'd just think it'd be common curtisy to ask Ooc if they were alright with it. Not really a 'have too', but I think you get the point. The person does at least need to Rp what they did with the body to be believable. Don't make it so the vampire can't come back, at all.
Most of it does go on with what you believe in vampire tales, though. If you go with Anne Rice, or go with these more recent vampire books - it's up to you, but you still gotta stay with the city things; vampires are affected with the holy water and garlic spray. You can't avoid that, because that's how the city game goes! If you don't agree with the game, don't play it. Rp else where.
Personally, I believe some things do regenerate with the vampires, but not instantly and 'magicly.' If the heads cut off, that's death, death. No return. But if, example, a ear is cut off, it can come back. Just not right away. Maybe have the vampire feed, get some blood in the system, and get the process going? Idk. That's how I see it.
... Don't know if any of that made sense. >.>'
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